50,000 GM Workers on Strike

[The Republic of Fore]

Oh it probably is. But one can always hope. Maybe they'll pull a Washington Redskins and hire a bunch of scabs but try to cover it up.

The contract lapsed 2 days ago so GM might be able to hire strike breakers. Though UAW is notorious for collecting scab lists with name and home address and accidentally to leaking said list to strikers.

You would likely be subjecting yourself and your family to harassment.

Even better, sue for harassment and get a nice cash pay out.

[The Republic of Fore]

Oh it probably is. But one can always hope. Maybe they'll pull a Washington Redskins and hire a bunch of scabs but try to cover it up.

You do realize that the striking workers can block the scabs from working right?

And you realize if they try to get violent the scabs or the company can have them thrown in prison right?

[Imbalistan]

Sigh. While unions can be great, I have a feeling that this will result in a unfair deal which will result in much higher wages and even more benefits, and then cause GM to spiral a bit more downward.

[Shrillland]

Sigh. While unions can be great, I have a feeling that this will result in a unfair deal which will result in much higher wages and even more benefits, and then cause GM to spiral a bit more downward.

What's unfair about that?

[Telconi]

You do realize that the striking workers can block the scabs from working right?

And you realize if they try to get violent the scabs or the company can have them thrown in prison right?

Don't need to get violent to make people suffer. Just treat the scabs like shit and it's normally enough discouragement.

[Greed and Death]

Cobra is fracking expensive. Just got laid off. MAGA! Best economy ever.

Looking at the cost sheet; I just don’t get why people can’t understand the uninsured ranks are expanding again.

Luckily the wife is employeed.....

Never had to make use of COBRA, but according to my benefits package as provided by my union, the company pays just shy of 1,000 dollars a month on insurance benefits.

So basically, I would need to rustle up 1,000 bucks a month to keep my insurance if I was let go.

As I said before. That is what the strike fund is for.

It is not the bloody worker expected to cover this, it is the Union expected to cover this.

[Greed and Death]

And you realize if they try to get violent the scabs or the company can have them thrown in prison right?

Don't need to get violent to make people suffer. Just treat the scabs like shit and it's normally enough discouragement.

Define treat like shit.

[US-SSR]

Sigh. While unions can be great, I have a feeling that this will result in a unfair deal which will result in much higher wages and even more benefits, and then cause GM to spiral a bit more downward.

What's unfair about that?

It's so obviously unfair that the top 1% only control half the wealth of the nation. How is America going to be Made Great Again unless they can get still more?

[Greed and Death]

The contract lapsed 2 days ago so GM might be able to hire strike breakers. Though UAW is notorious for collecting scab lists with name and home address and accidentally to leaking said list to strikers.

You would likely be subjecting yourself and your family to harassment.

Even better, sue for harassment and get a nice cash pay out.

Not really. The goons who harass people are normally judgement proof, and difficult to tie to the Union (which has deep pockets and is worth suing).

[Telconi]

Don't need to get violent to make people suffer. Just treat the scabs like shit and it's normally enough discouragement.

Define treat like shit.

Just shun them, don't look out for them or back them up.

[The Republic of Fore]

And you realize if they try to get violent the scabs or the company can have them thrown in prison right?

Don't need to get violent to make people suffer. Just treat the scabs like shit and it's normally enough discouragement.

Not for me, it doesn't concern me if some whiny brats don't like me. Especially when their displeasure comes with the reward of a great paying job.

[The Republic of Fore]

Even better, sue for harassment and get a nice cash pay out.

Not really. The goons who harass people are normally judgement proof, and difficult to tie to the Union (which has deep pockets and is worth suing).

Sue them into bankruptcy. Take their home, their car, whatever they might have that could be worth something. It's as much about punishing them for harassment as it is actually getting money.

[Ifreann]

Cars would be cheaper if you didn't have to pay for second yachts for the millionaires who own the companies.

Or just pay for the retirement of those whose retirement depends on GM's stock.

I thought you didn't like paying for benefits for people who aren't working.

Or pay for GM's continued existence in case losses come.

Which is how money paid to shareholders works.

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You do realize that the striking workers can block the scabs from working right?

And you realize if they try to get violent the scabs or the company can have them thrown in prison right?

Getting someone thrown in prison doesn't unbreak bones.

[Torrocca]

Don't need to get violent to make people suffer. Just treat the scabs like shit and it's normally enough discouragement.

Not for me, it doesn't concern me if some whiny brats don't like me. Especially when their displeasure comes with the reward of a great paying job.

Sure do love the smell of class betrayal in the morning.

[Ethel mermania]

An article on the topic

https://www.wsj.com/articles/behind-the ... 1568937301


Tldr, GM thinks they need to change to stay competitive in the market and sees the market radically changing, and what the union is asking for, will not let them. The union thinks it deserves to share in profits of GM and should not lose jobs.

[Thermodolia]

Don't need to get violent to make people suffer. Just treat the scabs like shit and it's normally enough discouragement.

Not for me, it doesn't concern me if some whiny brats don't like me. Especially when their displeasure comes with the reward of a great paying job.

I’m sure your family feels the same way right? It’s not like they wouldn’t mind having death threats sent to them or having their vehicles sabotaged.

[Greed and Death]

Not really. The goons who harass people are normally judgement proof, and difficult to tie to the Union (which has deep pockets and is worth suing).

Sue them into bankruptcy. Take their home, their car, whatever they might have that could be worth something. It's as much about punishing them for harassment as it is actually getting money.

In most states it is very difficult to get a person's home. Some states protect all houses others only protect the first ~100,000
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/j/judgment-proof.asp

Cars under a certain value are also protected, as are all retirement funds.

[Chestaan]

GM is making billion of profits per year. They can afford to increase wages without raising prices.

They don't wanna tho. Gonna have to make em.

Absolutely. The worker had no choice but to take to the picket line

[Special Aromas]

GM workers sacrificed their benefits twice on two occasions during the GFC and subsequent recession, when GM was nearing bankruptcy.

Just 9 years later, in 2018, GM has recovered to the point where last year paid $2.2 billion dollars in dividends to shareholders.

GM is clearly profitable again, why shouldn't their workers receive their benefits back? Are they not owed that after helping to save the company?

[Salandriagado]

Only a law fill make the companies will do that, and it'll not pass because "muh profits".

I wouldn't be happy to buy some non-working guy's insurance when I just want to buy a car.

Which is why having healthcare provision tied to employment is fucking moronic.

[Salandriagado]

Because America is a silly place where you need insurance to get healthcare, and people shouldn't lose access to healthcare because they're in a labour dispute with their employer.

I'm sure it's a great idea to have a company pay people, no matter what they're doing. Worked wonderful for the folks at British Leyland.

You're the only one talking about companies paying for healthcare.

[The South Falls]

They'll most likely hire scabs, or outsource their labor.

[Salandriagado]

So basically you're just showing that these companies want to reduce wages and the UAW is trying to get them raised instead.

Thanks for making it clear who the good people are in this situation.

And car prices come out of nowhere...

You haven't read your own source, have you? Or did you just miss the "$250/car" bit?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Does it even count as a stereotype if it's confirmed by IQ tests?

Yes because IQ tests are bullshit

I see. And what is your proposed alternative means to assess intelligence?

[Chestaan]

GM workers sacrificed their benefits twice on two occasions during the GFC and subsequent recession, when GM was nearing bankruptcy.

Just 9 years later, in 2018, GM has recovered to the point where last year paid $2.2 billion dollars in dividends to shareholders.

GM is clearly profitable again, why shouldn't their workers receive their benefits back? Are they not owed that after helping to save the company?

Unfortunately it seems that many companies, profitable or not, used the recession as an excuse to cut workers pay and benefits. Everyone was told this was temporary but that now doesn't seem to be the case.