by Mount Zeon » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:32 am
by The Union of British North America » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:58 pm
by Muskegonia » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:41 am
by Mount Zeon » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:00 pm
by Vangaziland » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:27 pm
by Mount Zeon » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:31 pm
by Vangaziland » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:58 pm
by Argentine Socialist Democratic Republic » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:45 pm
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by The United Nations Of Europa » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:54 pm
International News Broadcast: Coalition forces in Ukraine have now pushed into Eastern Donetsk. Heavy urban fighting ensues within the city.
by Allanea » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:27 am
by Newark Aristocracy » Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:24 pm
by Muskegonia » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:16 pm
Allanea wrote:Well. Muskegonia stated he agrees to take damage as long as I portrayed his soldiers as competent, so I wrote them as competent as mine would be, and of course refinery workers are badasses IRL so...
The United Nations Of Europa wrote:The United Nations of Europa- Looking to support anti-slavery operations
by Mount Zeon » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:41 pm
Newark Aristocracy wrote:Nation Name: Newark Aristocracy
How do you want to get involved: Direct Military Deployment
Why is your nation getting involved:To support anti slaver ops,and find and destroy the top players of the local slave trade. (refers to map area)
Muskegonia wrote:Allanea wrote:Well. Muskegonia stated he agrees to take damage as long as I portrayed his soldiers as competent, so I wrote them as competent as mine would be, and of course refinery workers are badasses IRL so...
Those poor brave men...
Press F to Pay RespectsThe United Nations Of Europa wrote:The United Nations of Europa- Looking to support anti-slavery operations
I'm fine with more people getting involved, but I do want to say that I don't want this to shift the focus too much - I appreciate Allanea keeping their anti-slavery work both non-government (with one explosive exception) and worked into the context of the fight for the Valley. I don't want to end this RP with any massive changes to my society. I do have some long-term plans for those changes, but this RP will just lay some ground work.
I also would prefer if we kept the firepower being used in the Valley at this minor level - right now the fighting is just farmer's shooting at each other, the Cougars have automatic weapons but no other official government support. Now once the actual war starts spec-ops teams could definitely play a big role.
Vangaziland wrote:That's fair enough. If Mt. Zeon is still against slavery, the Vannish aren’t there to make judgements on that nation. The Vannish don’t believe in intervening on ideological differences. They could surely issue statements or diplomatic missives aimed towards urging policy change. But they wouldn’t see the right wing as an enemy. In some ways the Vannish left is quite militant and really centrist.
Perhaps the right communique could be passed to clarify Vannish interests IC. If nothing else, working with a different type of nation could be good for the Vannish.
The Vannish are also prepared to offer other support that could be beneficial. Maybe even economic, especially if it could be shown how the investment of said funds will help pay for anti-slavery operations.
Vangaziland pays with cash.
Edit: After reading specifics of religion in your nation, I dont see anything that would stop us from battling slavery together or even preaching too much diplomacy against the way of life there.
The United Nations Of Europa wrote:The United Nations of Europa- Looking to support anti-slavery operations
The United Nations of Europa(U.N.E) has been recently involved in peacekeeping and establishing diplomatic relations around the world. Although our views within our society are different, we would like to help if it means we could help curb slavery within Muskegonia. We would also be willing to help train Zeonese troops and possibly supply weapons approved by commissions within the UNE. Our leader, Chancellor Linda Schulte would also like to discuss diplomatic activity between our nations and could discuss matters such as diplomatic relations and economic relations. The UNE's main terms of agreement would be diplomatic talks between leaders and the ability for the UNE to set up a refugee program to bring in rescued slaves into the UNE.
by Argentine Socialist Democratic Republic » Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:47 pm
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by Allanea » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:46 pm
I'd like to echo Muskegonia's sentiment. Not only because I don't want this to become a horribly unbalanced dog-pile against a newer player, but also because I'd like people to think a bit more about the other half of the equation. Allanea has some prior history with Mount Zeon - do other nations really have a big incentive to get involved on an official level with a pretty odious (by a Western human rights standard at least) regime just because they happen to be fighting a slave state? Mount Zeon is not really an active anti-slavery nation: the Church condemns racial slavery on moral grounds but Muskegonia's use of slave labor isn't really something my government cares about, so offers of "anti-slavery support" aren't going to strike any kind of ideological chord.
by Muskegonia » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:59 pm
Argentine Socialist Democratic Republic wrote:Best regards.
The Socialist Democratic Republic of Argentina supports the peace to both sides, but the isolationism of Mount Zeon and Muskegonia limits the action options of the President Dutsher (who thinks that a good way to overcome the national crisis is setting new markets and attracting immigrants to Argentina, speccially if the inmigrants has experience in the agriculture). Also any of the two nations has an embassy with the SDRA, this make hard the communication with both nations.
But nevertheless Moskegonia seems be the only possibility of the SDRA to demonstrate the peaceful and rapprochement intentions of the Dutsher government, because Mount Zeon is an ultra-radical Theocratic Dictatorship and deeply patriarchal and i m sure that descendants of Robert Matthews wants to be as far away as possible from a country whose president is a woman.
It seemed me impolite to publish in the IC without notifyi on the OOC previously. This reasons are enough to participate in the RP as a nation that try to help Moskegonia?
Allanea wrote:Another thing to consider here is the issue of proportionality. It would be quite disproportional, in my mind, to deploy tens of thousands of troops to crush the Muskegonians. But I think it's fully within proportion to the events for an anti-slaver nation to send a small amount of soldiers or spies to carry out some action to aid Mount Zeon.
by Allanea » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:08 pm
by Argentine Socialist Democratic Republic » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:24 pm
Muskegonia wrote:I don't really understand what sort of help you're offering - can you explain more?
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by Vangaziland » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:16 pm
by Newark Aristocracy » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:41 am
Mount Zeon wrote:Newark Aristocracy wrote:Nation Name: Newark Aristocracy
How do you want to get involved: Direct Military Deployment
Why is your nation getting involved:To support anti slaver ops,and find and destroy the top players of the local slave trade. (refers to map area)
I've seen your other work on the forums, so I'm going to use my totally formal "senior OP" power and just outright say "no, thank you."Muskegonia wrote:Those poor brave men...
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I'm fine with more people getting involved, but I do want to say that I don't want this to shift the focus too much - I appreciate Allanea keeping their anti-slavery work both non-government (with one explosive exception) and worked into the context of the fight for the Valley. I don't want to end this RP with any massive changes to my society. I do have some long-term plans for those changes, but this RP will just lay some ground work.
I also would prefer if we kept the firepower being used in the Valley at this minor level - right now the fighting is just farmer's shooting at each other, the Cougars have automatic weapons but no other official government support. Now once the actual war starts spec-ops teams could definitely play a big role.
Well at least it was only two refineries and not an entire port
I'd like to echo Muskegonia's sentiment. Not only because I don't want this to become a horribly unbalanced dog-pile against a newer player, but also because I'd like people to think a bit more about the other half of the equation. Allanea has some prior history with Mount Zeon - do other nations really have a big incentive to get involved on an official level with a pretty odious (by a Western human rights standard at least) regime just because they happen to be fighting a slave state? Mount Zeon is not really an active anti-slavery nation: the Church condemns racial slavery on moral grounds but Muskegonia's use of slave labor isn't really something my government cares about, so offers of "anti-slavery support" aren't going to strike any kind of ideological chord.Vangaziland wrote:That's fair enough. If Mt. Zeon is still against slavery, the Vannish aren’t there to make judgements on that nation. The Vannish don’t believe in intervening on ideological differences. They could surely issue statements or diplomatic missives aimed towards urging policy change. But they wouldn’t see the right wing as an enemy. In some ways the Vannish left is quite militant and really centrist.
Perhaps the right communique could be passed to clarify Vannish interests IC. If nothing else, working with a different type of nation could be good for the Vannish.
The Vannish are also prepared to offer other support that could be beneficial. Maybe even economic, especially if it could be shown how the investment of said funds will help pay for anti-slavery operations.
Vangaziland pays with cash.
Edit: After reading specifics of religion in your nation, I dont see anything that would stop us from battling slavery together or even preaching too much diplomacy against the way of life there.
Perhaps we could open with economic support which opens the door to more military involvement later on? Or your special forces could try and operate without the formal sanction of the Mount Zeon government.The United Nations Of Europa wrote:The United Nations of Europa- Looking to support anti-slavery operations
The United Nations of Europa(U.N.E) has been recently involved in peacekeeping and establishing diplomatic relations around the world. Although our views within our society are different, we would like to help if it means we could help curb slavery within Muskegonia. We would also be willing to help train Zeonese troops and possibly supply weapons approved by commissions within the UNE. Our leader, Chancellor Linda Schulte would also like to discuss diplomatic activity between our nations and could discuss matters such as diplomatic relations and economic relations. The UNE's main terms of agreement would be diplomatic talks between leaders and the ability for the UNE to set up a refugee program to bring in rescued slaves into the UNE.
Now there's some interesting RP potential here, mainly because IC my nation's government would be totally unwilling to do business with a woman leader. But I do like the idea of having talks even though I don't think they would actually accomplish anything IC. Maybe the UNE could get involved via non-government organizations trying to provide aid (and running into some serious culture shock)?
I hope I'm not coming off as difficult or obstructive, that's not my intention. I do want both of you to be part of the story. I just think there's better ways to justify getting involved in this particular conflict beyond "my government wants to fight slavery" and I think the RP will be better if we explore them here first.
by Allanea » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:50 am
by The United Nations Of Europa » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:40 am
Mount Zeon wrote:Now there's some interesting RP potential here, mainly because IC my nation's government would be totally unwilling to do business with a woman leader. But I do like the idea of having talks even though I don't think they would actually accomplish anything IC. Maybe the UNE could get involved via non-government organizations trying to provide aid (and running into some serious culture shock)? I hope I'm not coming off as difficult or obstructive, that's not my intention. I do want both of you to be part of the story. I just think there are better ways to justify getting involved in this particular conflict beyond "my government wants to fight slavery" and I think the RP will be better if we explore them here first.
International News Broadcast: Coalition forces in Ukraine have now pushed into Eastern Donetsk. Heavy urban fighting ensues within the city.
by Muskegonia » Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:59 am
Argentine Socialist Democratic Republic wrote:When i say "Help" I mean trying to bring the SDRA closer to Muskegonia diplomatically, which would have consequences in this small conflict (which would favor Muskegonia, since in the case that good diplomatic relations are established, the SDRA would provide support to Muskegonia).
This has the objective of generating a positive influence on Muskegonia and fulfilling the objectives of President Dutsher regarding the foreign policy of the SDRA. Give a good image is important for her to be able to attract immigrants, although this can have negative consequences for a Pro-slavery country.
In addition, President Dutsher does not approve of slavery but believes that it is worse to combat it with military force, so the intentions of the SDRA also include fighting pro-slavery in a peaceful manner. Also this intention to relate diplomatically hides the ambition of the SDRA to gain greater international importance. This diplomatic relationship also aims to maintain a stable government and avoid rebellions or violent revolutions.
by Mount Zeon » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:07 am
Vangaziland wrote:The point of our anti slavery focus is not to win you over. You asked why my nation would be involved. That’s why. Regardless of how your nation feels about it. As far as investments, it would have to be clear that the funds would be going towards operations that affected anti-slavery in general. Regardless of the dispute in the valley. It’s beyond one nation and politics.
Vangaziland is not offering free aid in the hopes of winning Mt. Zeon over. We do run the Order of the Purple Cross which I’ll edit the link to. It is a multinational NGO that has done limited RP in the past.
I could focus on the NGO and potentially have agents there. We have no interest in sneaking teams in your border because that’s hostile and we have no hostile stance towards your nation... Even if you don’t trust us. We basically aren’t heel toeing to your politics. The offer of aid is there and it is clear. I understand your angle, now understand mine. This isn’t my first rodeo.
As far as concerns on keeping things small scale, I understand. I have no desire to bring in major assets or hardware. As I said, the team would barely get involved. I can also understand that it benefits Muskegonia to keep Mt. Zeon equipped with hunting rifles against their automatics. It would not be unrealistic or off key to assist the Zeonese into developing by the time the war starts. The team’s deployment obviously doesn’t have to be immediate and starting with economic investments sounds right, given the stipulations.
Order of the Purple Cross NGO: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=324932
The United Nations Of Europa wrote:The U.N.E. would mainly be partaking this on more diplomatic terms throughout the RP. We are having our own war within our country so we don't have any interest in escalating this conflict into a major war in the world. We'd be willing to offer weapons and trade deals but they'd have to be discussed with our chancellor no matter what. We realize that there are major differences considering our society values but we think it'd be good to establish relations with nations outside of our normal spectrum. The U.N.E. is made up of numerous nations coming together to form one with many having liberal and conservative ideas so we aren't new to dealing with different views.
Concerning Muskegonia's society, I don't think it's hard to tell that we are against its values but we do respect the sovereignty of nations. We are not here to take over Muskegonia and force change but rather solve most of our differences through diplomatic terms. We are willing to use small forms of force such as tier 1 units but we will not send large amount of forces to Muskegonia on any terms throughout the conflict. We are here to have possible influence in the region, not to stay forever in a war.
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