by Kowani » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:57 pm
by Shrillland » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:01 pm
by Rojava Free State » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:02 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:03 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:04 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:11 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Can we all just stop to think for a minute how weird it is that Joe Biden encouraged black people to play records in their homes?
As someone whose inner circle is mostly black, I can tell the former vice president that most black people don't listen to record players anymore.in fact, most people don't listen to them anymore regardless of race. White people dont. Latinos dont (we like our old 1960s and 1970s music but we got iphones and bluetooth my guy, and if we wanna go old fashion then I'll go get that collection of casette tapes I got that include the romantics, van halen, the four seasons and the velvet underground). Asian people dont. No one does. Even a group of Tuareg nomads would probably tell biden he's behind the times
by Farnhamia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:15 pm
by Rojava Free State » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:23 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Can we all just stop to think for a minute how weird it is that Joe Biden encouraged black people to play records in their homes?
As someone whose inner circle is mostly black, I can tell the former vice president that most black people don't listen to record players anymore.in fact, most people don't listen to them anymore regardless of race. White people dont. Latinos dont (we like our old 1960s and 1970s music but we got iphones and bluetooth my guy, and if we wanna go old fashion then I'll go get that collection of casette tapes I got that include the romantics, van halen, the four seasons and the velvet underground). Asian people dont. No one does. Even a group of Tuareg nomads would probably tell biden he's behind the times
Ah, you don't have any well heeled hipster friends I see.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Holy Roman Empires2 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:25 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:26 pm
by Zurkerx » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:34 pm
by Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:37 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:39 pm
Zurkerx wrote:Oi, new thread!
Well, a majority had a good night, except for Harris. Castro did okay but botched his "age attack" on Biden. Biden was the strongest in the beginning but was fading; seems the long debate takes a toll. O'Rourke for once did decent but his "mandatory buyback" is not going to go over well, even among some Democrats.
Eh, I think Warren might have did the best although the big loser is the economy as that wasn't mentioned much at all.
by Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:41 pm
Galloism wrote:Regarding this post by Gormood, you may think I’m just out to dunk on you, but there’s actually a point here that’s bigger than you.
All rights cause risk. Some more than others, but speech, due process, and assembly are possibly the most hazardous rights of all. It means we let terrorists go if we can’t prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It means letting Nazis and stalinists speak and try to convince others. It means letting those men and women with the tiki torches march.
Some of us care about all our rights, not just some of them. Even if they’re risky.
by Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:47 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Galloism wrote:Regarding this post by Gormood, you may think I’m just out to dunk on you, but there’s actually a point here that’s bigger than you.
All rights cause risk. Some more than others, but speech, due process, and assembly are possibly the most hazardous rights of all. It means we let terrorists go if we can’t prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It means letting Nazis and stalinists speak and try to convince others. It means letting those men and women with the tiki torches march.
Some of us care about all our rights, not just some of them. Even if they’re risky.
That's a cool speech and all, but it's not really clear how you get here from there.
by Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:13 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Before you laugh off Yang’s $12,000 giveaway as a gimmick or bribe, consider the following:
- It’s not a bribe. People don’t have to contribute to the campaign to be eligible, and they are not required to vote for any candidate in return.
- $120,000 will buy you just 1 minute of ad time on CNN and ABC prime time, and around 4-5 minutes of ad time on Fox.
- While other candidates pour millions into ad campaigns, Yang is literally using his cash to help everyday Americans.
- The announcement has made Yang the second most Tweeted and Google searched candidate during the debate.
- Yang’s campaign has announced that it has already raised MORE than $120,000 in the hour following the announcement.
- Yang is the candidate with the smallest campaign budget (because he runs a grassroots campaign).
- The giveaway will be a trial run of his flagship proposal. No other policy proposal of any other candidate will have the benefit of a “proof of concept”.
In summary? Probably the best use of $120,000 in a presidential campaign ever.
Galloism wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:That's a cool speech and all, but it's not really clear how you get here from there.
You can follow the quote chain - Gauth was mocking people for being upset over the government disregarding a civil right he doesn’t like. I pointed out Hong Kong. He argued due process isn’t hazardous to the public. Except it is.
And we still care about it. Just like the right to bear arms.
by Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:49 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:The connection to due process being hazardous because it failed to convict Capone earlier is a loose connection at best. Further, one could weigh it against the comparative hazards that involve wrongful convictions which makes the idea that 'due process is dangerous' hold even less water as it's merely a thing that functions in a sea of hazard that neither causes or reduces a very nebulous definition of harm by not completely preventing one specific person from operating. It was a stretch and an enigmatic one at that.
by San Lumen » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:51 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Before you laugh off Yang’s $12,000 giveaway as a gimmick or bribe, consider the following:
- It’s not a bribe. People don’t have to contribute to the campaign to be eligible, and they are not required to vote for any candidate in return.
- $120,000 will buy you just 1 minute of ad time on CNN and ABC prime time, and around 4-5 minutes of ad time on Fox.
- While other candidates pour millions into ad campaigns, Yang is literally using his cash to help everyday Americans.
- The announcement has made Yang the second most Tweeted and Google searched candidate during the debate.
- Yang’s campaign has announced that it has already raised MORE than $120,000 in the hour following the announcement.
- Yang is the candidate with the smallest campaign budget (because he runs a grassroots campaign).
- The giveaway will be a trial run of his flagship proposal. No other policy proposal of any other candidate will have the benefit of a “proof of concept”.
In summary? Probably the best use of $120,000 in a presidential campaign ever.
by Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:01 pm
Galloism wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:The connection to due process being hazardous because it failed to convict Capone earlier is a loose connection at best. Further, one could weigh it against the comparative hazards that involve wrongful convictions which makes the idea that 'due process is dangerous' hold even less water as it's merely a thing that functions in a sea of hazard that neither causes or reduces a very nebulous definition of harm by not completely preventing one specific person from operating. It was a stretch and an enigmatic one at that.
Snipping a bit because limited regulation of rights is not in contest, while banning them is considered beyond pale, so just focusing here.
by Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:09 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Galloism wrote:Snipping a bit because limited regulation of rights is not in contest, while banning them is considered beyond pale, so just focusing here.
Also snipping because your spurious conclusion flows from here.
Because again, you assign a value to this thing that basically only us consider a right and compare any discussion of its value as 'beyond the pale' and then make a spurious connection to a non-one to one relationship as if they are related. They are not, and a discussion of the efficacy of the right is valid and not beyond the pale. And you conflate restrictions based on it as a dissolution of the right which isn't what O'Rourke suggested unless you view any restriction as an outright ban, which is hyperbolic and belongs in the gun thread with the rest of the masturbatory arguments. O'Rourke proposed an extension of restrictions that are already in place and had in fact been in place before but expired. This hyperbole about rights is just that. And a distortion of the candidate's proposal which is at least related to what this thread is supposed to be about.
by Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:17 pm
by San Lumen » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:17 pm
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:As I said in the previous thread, I checked Andrew Yang's campaign site, he sounds like a Conservative Republican Economic Libertarian, not a Democrat Leftist. He could be in the US House or Senate as a Republican on the economy not a Democrat. But I did not check his foreign policy views.
So I posted I like him and I could vote for him as President if he were a Republican, and his foreign policy views were generally ok with me, as long as he was anti my pet issue on NS which I wont mention but we all know what it is. So a fellow nation posted back to me I would not like his foreign policy views, but he does sound like a Conservative Republican Economic Libertarian on the economy, not a leftist Democrat.
by Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:19 pm
San Lumen wrote:Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:As I said in the previous thread, I checked Andrew Yang's campaign site, he sounds like a Conservative Republican Economic Libertarian, not a Democrat Leftist. He could be in the US House or Senate as a Republican on the economy not a Democrat. But I did not check his foreign policy views.
So I posted I like him and I could vote for him as President if he were a Republican, and his foreign policy views were generally ok with me, as long as he was anti my pet issue on NS which I wont mention but we all know what it is. So a fellow nation posted back to me I would not like his foreign policy views, but he does sound like a Conservative Republican Economic Libertarian on the economy, not a leftist Democrat.
He wont be the nominee.
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