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Should flavored e juices be banned?

Yes, for teh children!
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Yes, and we shouldn't just stop there! Ban vapes, e-cigs, and tobacco! Prohibition for all!
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Undecided.
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No, this is just more government regulation into Americans personal lives.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:00 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Nope. Tobacco smoke promotes health and vitality.

It provides the lungs with a hard, tar-like protective coating to ensure that bacteria and viruses cannot enter.

Or oxygen.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:01 am

Gormwood wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It provides the lungs with a hard, tar-like protective coating to ensure that bacteria and viruses cannot enter.

Or oxygen.

Everything has side effects.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:06 am

Diopolis wrote:
Novus America wrote:
This is sarcasm, right? :eyebrow:

Nope. Tobacco smoke promotes health and vitality.


Okay, now this is definitely sarcasm.
Lung cancer is not generally good for your health and vitality.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:08 am

Gormwood wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It provides the lungs with a hard, tar-like protective coating to ensure that bacteria and viruses cannot enter.

Or oxygen.


But it also increases the amount of lung tissue...
of course this is lethal cancer tissue...
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:08 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Or oxygen.

Everything has side effects.

"Side Effects Include: Death"
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:08 am

Novus America wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Nope. Tobacco smoke promotes health and vitality.


Okay, now this is definitely sarcasm.
Lung cancer is not generally good for your health and vitality.

Tobacco doesn’t cause cancer. The lung cancer rate didn’t decline when the smoking rate went down.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:10 am

Diopolis wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Okay, now this is definitely sarcasm.
Lung cancer is not generally good for your health and vitality.

Tobacco doesn’t cause cancer. The lung cancer rate didn’t decline when the smoking rate went down.


Are you for real? It is not the only cause of cancer, but it is one of the biggest causes.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/cau ... sk/tobacco
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:26 am

Page wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Hopefully they're a lot more strict about keeping Vitamin E acetone out of the liquids there.


Isn't it funny how Trump didn't even mention the vitamin e acetone that contaminated the black market THC cartridges that made people sick?

It's almost as if the flavor ban has nothing to do with public safety. It's almost as if they want people smoking cigarettes again.


I can't see any other reason why they would do this. Kids smoked cigs before vapes were a thing so clearly the flavor isn't what attracts them as much as the effects and the need to look cool. Ban vapes with flavors and kids will just smoke cigarettes and drink beer.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:40 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Nope. Tobacco smoke promotes health and vitality.

It provides the lungs with a hard, tar-like protective coating to ensure that bacteria and viruses cannot enter.

It also desensitizes your taste buds so that you can eat your friend or family's terrible food and not taste a thing!
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:41 am

Novus America wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Tobacco doesn’t cause cancer. The lung cancer rate didn’t decline when the smoking rate went down.


Are you for real? It is not the only cause of cancer, but it is one of the biggest causes.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/cau ... sk/tobacco

Dio has to be shit posting.

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:42 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Are you for real? It is not the only cause of cancer, but it is one of the biggest causes.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/cau ... sk/tobacco

Dio has to be shit posting.

You can never tell with him.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Dio has to be shit posting.

You can never tell with him.


We live in a society where windmill noises cause cancer but cigarettes don't
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:12 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Are you for real? It is not the only cause of cancer, but it is one of the biggest causes.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/cau ... sk/tobacco

Dio has to be shit posting.

Or smoking something besides tobacco. *nods*
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:13 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Dio has to be shit posting.

Or smoking something besides tobacco. *nods*

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Postby Jakker » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:00 pm

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Rojava Free State wrote:
That is one of the most idiotic things I ever heard. I didn't say they actively hate us, I said they don't care. Indifference is not the same as hate.

And yes I am mad. I have a right to put in my body whatever I want, and you have a right along with the government to stay out my business. You don't wanna vape? dont. But don't start telling other grown people what they can and can't do with their bodies. Oh, one more thing. How exactly do you expect this ban to work when our war on drugs which lasted for decades couldn't stop crack, meth, heroin and coke from flooding our streets? You think it's gonna be easier to stop vapes when they can't even stop fentanyl? Give me a break

because people that take drugs are idiots... but the reason why people vape its suppose to be an alternative to smoking not a better option.. in fact its just as bad... but people dont wanna look at the facts because who cares anymore... i think thats how the people i know from the left got to be a thing but this isnt a political thing... stop blaming trump for your childishness and move on...


Things are getting a bit heated, so let's just be mindful not to let things escalate further.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:01 pm

Jakker wrote:
Rainbowsix wrote:because people that take drugs are idiots... but the reason why people vape its suppose to be an alternative to smoking not a better option.. in fact its just as bad... but people dont wanna look at the facts because who cares anymore... i think thats how the people i know from the left got to be a thing but this isnt a political thing... stop blaming trump for your childishness and move on...


Things are getting a bit heated, so let's just be mindful not to let things escalate further.


You thoroughly read the thread
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:22 pm

I personally use menthol cartridges and never got into the flavored stuff, I just never saw the appeal; even as is, the harshness of a vape is nothing like smoking a cigarette for the first time inhaling smoke. This ban will be about as effective as keeping kids from getting alcohol, drugs or cigarettes; I remember the first thing I did when I turned 21 was start buying for my friends in college who were underage. Before that, I had a coworker who hooked us up, and so on going back through the years since there were first age restrictions on purchase.

Making a flavored e-juice isn't exactly rocket science and the ingredients are so common that it will be no problem for people to make their own and sell or distribute it. If anything, the better approach would have been regulating these products to ensure they are free from contaminants and to expand the availability of nicotine-free flavored vape cartridges.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:23 pm

Vetalia wrote:I personally use menthol cartridges and never got into the flavored stuff, I just never saw the appeal; even as is, the harshness of a vape is nothing like smoking a cigarette for the first time inhaling smoke. This ban will be about as effective as keeping kids from getting alcohol, drugs or cigarettes; I remember the first thing I did when I turned 21 was start buying for my friends in college who were underage. Before that, I had a coworker who hooked us up, and so on going back through the years since there were first age restrictions on purchase.

Making a flavored e-juice isn't exactly rocket science and the ingredients are so common that it will be no problem for people to make their own and sell or distribute it. If anything, the better approach would have been regulating these products to ensure they are free from contaminants and to expand the availability of nicotine-free flavored vape cartridges.

What does this ban cover? Isn't menthol included?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:25 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Vetalia wrote:I personally use menthol cartridges and never got into the flavored stuff, I just never saw the appeal; even as is, the harshness of a vape is nothing like smoking a cigarette for the first time inhaling smoke. This ban will be about as effective as keeping kids from getting alcohol, drugs or cigarettes; I remember the first thing I did when I turned 21 was start buying for my friends in college who were underage. Before that, I had a coworker who hooked us up, and so on going back through the years since there were first age restrictions on purchase.

Making a flavored e-juice isn't exactly rocket science and the ingredients are so common that it will be no problem for people to make their own and sell or distribute it. If anything, the better approach would have been regulating these products to ensure they are free from contaminants and to expand the availability of nicotine-free flavored vape cartridges.

What does this ban cover? Isn't menthol included?


Bro they better not ban flavored hookahs too. That's my shit and every one in my neighborhood is crazy for that. We're gonna be pissed as hell if they do
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:34 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Vetalia wrote:I personally use menthol cartridges and never got into the flavored stuff, I just never saw the appeal; even as is, the harshness of a vape is nothing like smoking a cigarette for the first time inhaling smoke. This ban will be about as effective as keeping kids from getting alcohol, drugs or cigarettes; I remember the first thing I did when I turned 21 was start buying for my friends in college who were underage. Before that, I had a coworker who hooked us up, and so on going back through the years since there were first age restrictions on purchase.

Making a flavored e-juice isn't exactly rocket science and the ingredients are so common that it will be no problem for people to make their own and sell or distribute it. If anything, the better approach would have been regulating these products to ensure they are free from contaminants and to expand the availability of nicotine-free flavored vape cartridges.

What does this ban cover? Isn't menthol included?


I doubt it, that would be very problematic from a legal and regulatory perspective given that menthol cigarettes were similarly exempted from the ban on flavored cigarettes several years ago.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:54 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Are you for real? It is not the only cause of cancer, but it is one of the biggest causes.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/cau ... sk/tobacco

Dio has to be shit posting.

Nope. Tobacco does not cause cancer, although some of the preservatives and so on in cigarettes might.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:59 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Dio has to be shit posting.

Nope. Tobacco does not cause cancer, although some of the preservatives and so on in cigarettes might.

People who use smokeless tobacco (snuff or chewing tobacco) have increased risks of cancers of the mouth, esophagus, and pancreas.
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Postby Bloodshade » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:09 pm

Diopolis wrote:Nope. Tobacco does not cause cancer, although some of the preservatives and so on in cigarettes might.


Wait, are you talking about smokeless tobacco?

Yes, consuming products such as Snus is relatively better than smoking cigarettes. However, being better than smoking cigarettes does not make it safe to consume. Smokeless tobacco still increase the risk of cancers, especially oral and pancreatic cancer.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:13 pm

Bloodshade wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Nope. Tobacco does not cause cancer, although some of the preservatives and so on in cigarettes might.


Wait, are you talking about smokeless tobacco?

Yes, consuming products such as Snus is relatively better than smoking cigarettes. However, being better than smoking cigarettes does not make it safe to consume. Smokeless tobacco still increase the risk of cancers, especially oral and pancreatic cancer.


We all gotta understand that at day's end, smoking anything isn't all that good for your lungs.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:14 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Dio has to be shit posting.

Nope. Tobacco does not cause cancer, although some of the preservatives and so on in cigarettes might.


Aight, dio isn't saying cigs don't cause cancer. He's saying tobacco doesn't which is debatable but more open to interpretation
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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