World Grand Prix Organization: OOC Discussion Thread

[Lisander]

The back-to-back seasons add up. It was also good for me to relax off the chance, instead of going full greyhound mode. At least I should be more fresh for the WGP2.

Truth. But since we're talking about this: When will WGP2 start?

[Audioslavia]

An updated version of the Racing Scorinator is here. Anyone wanting to bid for WGP2 should have a look through it and figure out how it works. It's pretty much the same as the WGPC17 scorinator, which as Ethane will attest was fairly simple to run.

WGP2 bids should go here. There's no time limit.

There's still problems with the scorinator which I'd like to iron out, most notably the fact that the laptimes for race and qualifying are a little too random. This isn't a new problem, but it's one that's become more noticeable as the scorinator starts to spit out more data. It serves its purpose for now, though

[Joushiki Nante Iranai]

Hey Audio, I'm creating an article about the bidding being open for WGP2 hosting. What advise would you have for anyone that may be considering to make a bid?

Also, the WGPC nation CTE'd. Could the first post be edited, as WGPC17 was never added?

Edit: I'm also in the process of making a WGP3 event, but I'm concerned it may be considered gravedigging. It's fine if I post there once it starts, right?

[Vangaziland]

I can assure you posting in the WGP3 would not be gravedigging. It would be a great way for you to practice if you were ever interested in hosting the WGP2, or even the WGPC at this rate. It's considered open year round, I believe. Even if not, nothing else is in season so its the perfect time.

[Joushiki Nante Iranai]

The article is up! https://nationstates.news/world-grand-prix-championships-end-second-divison-opens-hosting-bids/1241/

[Audioslavia]

That's very well done JNI, nice one! Sorry I didn't get back to you in time about WGP2 hosting requirements. They basically boil down to figuring out how the scorinator works and being free twice a weekend for scorinating.

Hosting a WGP3 series is excellent practice. That thread is always open. Have at it!

I'll revive the WGPC nation and update the OP when I next have time

[Joushiki Nante Iranai]

That's very well done JNI, nice one! Sorry I didn't get back to you in time about WGP2 hosting requirements. They basically boil down to figuring out how the scorinator works and being free twice a weekend for scorinating.

Hosting a WGP3 series is excellent practice. That thread is always open. Have at it!

I'll revive the WGPC nation and update the OP when I next have time

Thank you very much! It's fine about the WGP2 requirements, by the way.

The WGP3 series I'm going to do is going to be one for my whole region, so I'm still doing signups. It'll probably start around September.

[Aboveland]

So what's the state of WGP2²? Still waiting for bids?

[Eastfield Lodge]

So what's the state of WGP2²? Still waiting for bids?

Aren't we on to WGP2³? But yes, still awaiting bids.

[Joushiki Nante Iranai]

Announcement post for my WGP3 series is up!

[Lisander]

I'm not sure if I told people about that, but I'm thinking about a superbike series loosely based on Hodori Motorsports. This is for gathering interest.

If this one is not happening, I'd be up for a joint bid for WGP2 (I don't know if it's possible), starting from mid-october.

Shoot me a TG if you're interested in some participation/collaboration.

[Vangaziland]

A superbike event would be fun. I'd look forward to help develop the series IC through writing.

[Audioslavia]

Announcement post for my WGP3 series is up!

Looking good, JNI!

I'm not sure if I told people about that, but I'm thinking about a superbike series loosely based on Hodori Motorsports. This is for gathering interest.

If this one is not happening, I'd be up for a joint bid for WGP2 (I don't know if it's possible), starting from mid-october.

Shoot me a TG if you're interested in some participation/collaboration.

If we don't end up with a WGP2 bid by the end of the year then it could be run side by side with WGPC18. It would depend on whether the host(s) of WGPC18 would be up for scorinating the junior formula alongside the main event.

In any case, there's no strict timescale for either event. I 100% won't be hosting any racing competitions any time soon, though I have been working on an improved scorinator which will hopefully be up and running for the next cycle.

Good luck with the Superbikes, Lisander!

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

If this one is not happening, I'd be up for a joint bid for WGP2 (I don't know if it's possible), starting from mid-october.

Shoot me a TG if you're interested in some participation/collaboration.

If we don't end up with a WGP2 bid by the end of the year then it could be run side by side with WGPC18. It would depend on whether the host(s) of WGPC18 would be up for scorinating the junior formula alongside the main event.

In any case, there's no strict timescale for either event. I 100% won't be hosting any racing competitions any time soon, though I have been working on an improved scorinator which will hopefully be up and running for the next cycle.

Hmm. In terms of the narrative that I'm thinking of (and the way that Nexus Racing does the WGP2 generally, treating it as a prototyping stage for the WGPC proper), I'd much prefer the WGP2 to be run prior to the WGPC... As such I would offer myself as a partner in this, Lisander, but I'm concerned that I a) wouldn't be able to be consistent with timings and b) wouldn't be able to grade RPs consistently enough, especially considering that I have a horse in the race. Even then, I might come round if things get late enough.

[Audioslavia]

Hmm. In terms of the narrative that I'm thinking of (and the way that Nexus Racing does the WGP2 generally, treating it as a prototyping stage for the WGPC proper), I'd much prefer the WGP2 to be run prior to the WGPC...

Totally cool with me. Like I said, we can be flexible with timings. Back when I was running WGPC I had to do it all between January and May/June as I knew I wouldn't be about so much for the summer. Whoever takes it on can do it at their own pace.

[Joushiki Nante Iranai]

If we don't end up with a WGP2 bid by the end of the year then it could be run side by side with WGPC18. It would depend on whether the host(s) of WGPC18 would be up for scorinating the junior formula alongside the main event.

In any case, there's no strict timescale for either event. I 100% won't be hosting any racing competitions any time soon, though I have been working on an improved scorinator which will hopefully be up and running for the next cycle.

Hmm. In terms of the narrative that I'm thinking of (and the way that Nexus Racing does the WGP2 generally, treating it as a prototyping stage for the WGPC proper), I'd much prefer the WGP2 to be run prior to the WGPC... As such I would offer myself as a partner in this, Lisander, but I'm concerned that I a) wouldn't be able to be consistent with timings and b) wouldn't be able to grade RPs consistently enough, especially considering that I have a horse in the race. Even then, I might come round if things get late enough.

I'd like to help too, but I feel I'm not experienced enough yet.

[Vilita and Turori]

Hmm. In terms of the narrative that I'm thinking of (and the way that Nexus Racing does the WGP2 generally, treating it as a prototyping stage for the WGPC proper), I'd much prefer the WGP2 to be run prior to the WGPC...

I would respond with 2 things

1) Generally this approach is the opposite of reality. Feeder series generally run the same schedule and often at the same tracks as the top level divisions. Additionally the cars wouldnt be considered similar enough to be used for any direct prototyping from one level to another as the Top Level is generally 'a league of its own' while all lower levels of competition would struggle with cost limits and financial struggles many of which would drive the desire to run as support events on the same schedule as the main series.

2) This is NS, so none of #1 has to apply. Time is Fluid and Rules aren't that clearly defined. I would just avoid putting all of the rest of your competitors into a 'box' by trying to strictly define something that is either open for interpretation or generally 180-degrees opposite of what the expected position would be. Just take a "You do you" approach and try to generally fit things in the way that works for you without setting a precedent that starts imposing those standards on others and all will be well

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

Hmm. In terms of the narrative that I'm thinking of (and the way that Nexus Racing does the WGP2 generally, treating it as a prototyping stage for the WGPC proper), I'd much prefer the WGP2 to be run prior to the WGPC...

I would respond with 2 things

1) Generally this approach is the opposite of reality. Feeder series generally run the same schedule and often at the same tracks as the top level divisions. Additionally the cars wouldnt be considered similar enough to be used for any direct prototyping from one level to another as the Top Level is generally 'a league of its own' while all lower levels of competition would struggle with cost limits and financial struggles many of which would drive the desire to run as support events on the same schedule as the main series.

2) This is NS, so none of #1 has to apply. Time is Fluid and Rules aren't that clearly defined. I would just avoid putting all of the rest of your competitors into a 'box' by trying to strictly define something that is either open for interpretation or generally 180-degrees opposite of what the expected position would be. Just take a "You do you" approach and try to generally fit things in the way that works for you without setting a precedent that starts imposing those standards on others and all will be well

That all makes sense!

[Vangaziland]

Scheduling both events at the same time might not work for a lot of people. It would take a lot of writing to be competitive in both. Or someone could just write one article for each, but that's going to add up. Especially as other sports rotate over that long time span. I get that feeder series run congruent with F1 in real life. Still, that'd take a major effort. More likely, the WGP2 might just get less attention.

Imagine having to come up with two separate story lines, two race weekends, two-four driver reactions..... Unless we put them in the same forum. That would have to mean shared RP bonus, where articles count for both regardless of which side you mention. But that would be a lot for one host, so that likely wouldn't happen.

If it has to be skipped until after next WGPC, it wouldn't be so bad.

[Joushiki Nante Iranai]

Okay, I think I found a problem with qualifying in the scorinator.

I have my WGP3 cars set to 85% speed. Practice works - they do 2:24-2:26 laps for a 2:17.3 lap record. But in qualifying, the slowest is 2:24 - and the fastest is 2:17:334 (it's elimination qualifying). I feel like the speed modifier isn't being implemented here.

I'll post the qualifying, but if this did indeed happen, I'll manually increase the times to reflect the 85% speed. Also note that I haven't tested races yet.

[Savojarna]

Scheduling both events at the same time might not work for a lot of people. It would take a lot of writing to be competitive in both. Or someone could just write one article for each, but that's going to add up. Especially as other sports rotate over that long time span. I get that feeder series run congruent with F1 in real life. Still, that'd take a major effort. More likely, the WGP2 might just get less attention.

Imagine having to come up with two separate story lines, two race weekends, two-four driver reactions..... Unless we put them in the same forum. That would have to mean shared RP bonus, where articles count for both regardless of which side you mention. But that would be a lot for one host, so that likely wouldn't happen.

If it has to be skipped until after next WGPC, it wouldn't be so bad.

(Emphasis mine)

I think it would be totally possible to have a two-host team where one is responsible for the WGP2 and one for the WGPC, with the possibility of covering each other if required. Given that we manage to have two hosts for other competitions such as the World Cup, I don't see a reason why WGPC couldn't follow a same way. In fact, I think it should because of three reasons:

1) it keeps away the slight confusion IC'ly of either having the season for motor racing split neatly in two (which means one has to run in winter, which I guess does work if some countries don't have winter/have mild winters/have reversed seasons, but still is rather weird), or having them alternate; running them next to each other means that you can have a lot more interaction between series regarding roleplay and possibly promote/relegate drivers during seasons, which I think raises interesting possibilities for storylines.

1.5) I think this warrants its own point but is connected to 1), if someone has to drop out for a month or two OOC, like me last season, they could roleplay it as their driver being injured and have a replacement step in. That means that we get both more activity and the team doesn't get shafted in the Constructor's, and we get less pressure to RP. I felt really bad for Mattijana last season because my thesis forced me to stop RPing for a while (and when I had time again I couldn't really get back into the flow of things and quit altogether), and that would have been alleviated if we could easily have promoted a Junior MRT driver. Now, I know this is possible in SQ as well, but I think the hurdle may be higher when it's an IC resigning of an OOC unknown person, rather than "let's pull up this guy that has been RP'ing for my team already in the WGP2".

2) I think that it helps WGP2 to fulfil its role as an OOC feeder because people are more likely to be highly involved when more is at stake. That means people are more likely to be willing to take over WGP2 teams because they feel like it's a spotlight role, and because it's essentially less work. I don't wanna run SVJ Racing in the WGP2 again because I have very limited time and energy to RP, and I'd rather spend that on top-tier competition. But if the two were fused, I'd happily run an SVJ team again and only devote every other RP or so to it, while using the other half to RP Sigur driving in the WGPC.

3) With the WGP2 in there with the big boys, I feel like you get more pull with new people. I feel like there hasn't been much interest in WGP2 from the non-racing community, whereas we already tend to struggle to find drives for WGPC. I think that with the two tiers united, people would not experience not finding a ride as often, hence be more interested in racing and more likely to stick with us. Higher appeal is good, if you ask me.

[Audioslavia]

Okay, I think I found a problem with qualifying in the scorinator.

I have my WGP3 cars set to 85% speed. Practice works - they do 2:24-2:26 laps for a 2:17.3 lap record. But in qualifying, the slowest is 2:24 - and the fastest is 2:17:334 (it's elimination qualifying). I feel like the speed modifier isn't being implemented here.

Hmm. Yes it's likely that that's a bug. I'll try to iron that out next time I wrestle with the scorinator.

[Vangaziland]

Savojarna makes good points. I guess it could work more like co hosts. If everything can be worked out, go for it. As long as people aren’t overwhelmed, it could be fun.

I would argue against one saying the WGP2 isn’t popular outside of racers. If signups were up, we’d get people. There are also more NSSCRA writers that might be more tempted to join, admittedly if the WGP2 didn’t coincide with the stock cars.

If we market the WGP2 in a way where new teams are more likely to get signed than in the WGPC, people won’t be able to wait for it. So it’s not unpopular, it’s just that prior writers have flocked to the spots.

[Joushiki Nante Iranai]

Races coming later today. Sorry for the wait!

[Joushiki Nante Iranai]

How's my scorinating going?