LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Since nothing you just said actually conflicts with my post, am I to assume that you agree with me?

My meaning is implied by my words.

How about, instead of doing that, you use your words and tell me exactly what you're saying?

[Torrocca]

*snip*

Since you didn replied to me, I take that you ran out of ammo. ^^

Nah, I just don't feel like bothering with the mental gymnastics needed to pretend National-"""""Anarchism""""" is Anarchist.

[Pacomia]

The capitalist puts in far more risk into every decision he makes. The capitalist is an intellectual laborer, and the laborer below him profits when his boss decides wisely. The market ultimately decides the value of their labor in any case.

“The market decides the value of their labor.”
I didn’t know scam artists were valuable now.

oh no an authoritarian

[Torrocca]

The capitalist puts in far more risk into every decision he makes. The capitalist is an intellectual laborer, and the laborer below him profits when his boss decides wisely. The market ultimately decides the value of their labor in any case.

Risk? With golden parachutes? It’s great to be a capitalist; you are rewarded for success and failure.

The best to date was a ceo of home depot. He was fired for failing to meet all objectives. His punishment? Two hundred and ten million.

Golden parachutes bought from the profits made off the labor of the workers, mind you. Clearly the CEO of Home Depot took a tremendous risk in doing that.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Since you didn replied to me, I take that you ran out of ammo. ^^

Nah, I just don't feel like bothering with the mental gymnastics needed to pretend National-"""""Anarchism""""" is Anarchist.

Okay, I agree with most of what you're saying here, but can you stop with the doubled-up quotation marks? One set is usually enough.

[Nakena]

Since you didn replied to me, I take that you ran out of ammo. ^^

Nah, I just don't feel like bothering with the mental gymnastics needed to pretend National-"""""Anarchism""""" is Anarchist.

Awwh, and here I was hoping to perform some gymnastics with you and wrestling away the anarchism from you. ^^

[Torrocca]

Nah, I just don't feel like bothering with the mental gymnastics needed to pretend National-"""""Anarchism""""" is Anarchist.

Okay, I agree with most of what you're saying here, but can you stop with the doubled-up quotation marks? One set is usually enough.

I'm merely doing it to emphasize my point more strongly, friend. ;3

[Kowani]

“The market decides the value of their labor.”
I didn’t know scam artists were valuable now.

oh no an authoritarian

Fear the boogeyman.

[Nakena]

oh no an authoritarian

Fear the boogeyman.

Quite an overused boogeyman. Also I noticed how always the word authoritarian is being used instead of autocratic.

[Northern Davincia]

The capitalist puts in far more risk into every decision he makes.

The Capitalist loses some money if he fucks up; the worker can easily lose everything if the Capitalist fucks up.

It's not the Capitalist taking the most risk.

The capitalist is objectively taking the most risk.

[Torrocca]

The Capitalist loses some money if he fucks up; the worker can easily lose everything if the Capitalist fucks up.

It's not the Capitalist taking the most risk.

The capitalist is objectively taking the most risk.

The Capitalist isn't the one at risk of losing their home, their belongings, their family, their livelihood, etc. because of a missed paycheck, champ.

[Pacomia]

oh no an authoritarian

Fear the boogeyman.

I thought the boogeyman was a minarchist

[Nakena]

Fear the boogeyman.

I thought the boogeyman was a minarchist

Nah its now National-Anarchism. ^^

[Kowani]

Fear the boogeyman.

Quite an overused boogeyman. Also I noticed how always the word authoritarian is being used instead of autocratic.

I don’t like the word Autocrat. It feels too monarchical.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I thought the boogeyman was a minarchist

Nah its now National-Anarchism. ^^

Isn't national anarchism a meme ideology?

[Pacomia]

Quite an overused boogeyman. Also I noticed how always the word authoritarian is being used instead of autocratic.

I don’t like the word Autocrat. It feels too monarchical.

That’s actually why I don’t say it

[Northern Davincia]

The capitalist puts in far more risk into every decision he makes. The capitalist is an intellectual laborer, and the laborer below him profits when his boss decides wisely. The market ultimately decides the value of their labor in any case.

“The market decides the value of their labor.”
I didn’t know scam artists were valuable now.

Thieves don't generate value, and certainly not through legitimate means. The market decides the value of what they steal but their labor is functionally worthless.

The capitalist is objectively taking the most risk.

The Capitalist isn't the one at risk of losing their home, their belongings, their family, their livelihood, etc. because of a missed paycheck, champ.

Social mobility goes both ways, even for the bourgeoisie.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

“The market decides the value of their labor.”
I didn’t know scam artists were valuable now.

Thieves don't generate value, and certainly not through legitimate means. The market decides the value of what they steal but their labor is functionally worthless.

Isn't that the basic premise of Marxism?

[Northern Davincia]

Thieves don't generate value, and certainly not through legitimate means. The market decides the value of what they steal but their labor is functionally worthless.

Isn't that the basic premise of Marxism?

I suppose, but economically the Marxist interpretation is false. The bourgeois generate value from risk-taking, which is why the total output of wealth now is greater than ever before.

[Torrocca]

“The market decides the value of their labor.”
I didn’t know scam artists were valuable now.

Thieves don't generate value, and certainly not through legitimate means. The market decides the value of what they steal but their labor is functionally worthless.

Good to know you hate Capitalism.

The Capitalist isn't the one at risk of losing their home, their belongings, their family, their livelihood, etc. because of a missed paycheck, champ.

Social mobility goes both ways, even for the bourgeoisie.

Neat, they can go cry their crocodile tears at the top of their penthouse into their stacks of $100s.

They still don't have it nearly as bad as the working class.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Isn't that the basic premise of Marxism?

I suppose, but economically the Marxist interpretation is false. The bourgeois generate value from risk-taking, which is why the total output of wealth now is greater than ever before.

Conventional thieves take risks every time they steal from others. If you take someone's wallet, for example, you risk being sent to prison.
And I'd like to point out here that GDP, even per-capita, isn't a very good metric for measuring economic success compared to things like HDI and quality of life. Money is worthless on its own, we should instead measure how that money is used to benefit people.

[Northern Davincia]

Thieves don't generate value, and certainly not through legitimate means. The market decides the value of what they steal but their labor is functionally worthless.

Good to know you hate Capitalism.

Social mobility goes both ways, even for the bourgeoisie.

Neat, they can go cry their crocodile tears at the top of their penthouse into their stacks of $100s.

They still don't have it nearly as bad as the working class.

I can't hate what keeps me fed. So long as intellectual labor is worth more than drudgery (because the former is rarer than the latter), there will be a disparity of wealth.

[Torrocca]

Good to know you hate Capitalism.



Neat, they can go cry their crocodile tears at the top of their penthouse into their stacks of $100s.

They still don't have it nearly as bad as the working class.

I can't hate what keeps me fed.

You were literally talking about being in financial ruin a few months ago. You'd be more fed receiving the full value of your labor, not a value assigned to you by some Capitalist fuckwit.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Good to know you hate Capitalism.



Neat, they can go cry their crocodile tears at the top of their penthouse into their stacks of $100s.

They still don't have it nearly as bad as the working class.

I can't hate what keeps me fed.

If you lived in a communist state, would you oppose the ruling government?

[Cekoviu]

I can't hate what keeps me fed.

You were literally talking about being in financial ruin a few months ago. You'd be more fed receiving the full value of your labor, not a value assigned to you by some Capitalist fuckwit.

He's a temporarily embarrassed billionaire, not in "financial ruin." God.