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by Old Hope » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:10 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:The format wars are a waste of time.
by Forsher » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:42 am
Caleonia wrote:Valentine Z wrote:If you're talking about Hammer, you definitely missed the joke, lol.
For the discussion itself? Well... not the kind of thing I would participate largely in, but I would just let these threads stay.
I meant the whole “being able to check entire megathreads in a day and understand what is going on” part. I just found hammer’s the most convenient to quote
Mackjaracotavon wrote:Threads like these exist for the purpose of cutting down on multiple threads about the same topic. Getting rid of them would merely make the Mods' job a whole lot harder.
by Juristonia » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:50 am
Forsher wrote:Never been a problem.
Forsher wrote:The people who claim it is a problem have just asserted again and again their perspective.
Forsher wrote:What is the difference between having 50 threads that reach 30 or 60 pages one at a time and having one thread that reaches 500 the entire time?
Forsher wrote:But if the threads you're not posting in aren't problems then it's all the more absurd to want a megathread...
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.
And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.
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by Forsher » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:00 am
Juristonia wrote:Except it has. Hence the megathreads.
Topic | Subject |
Fake Crisis Pregnancy Centers slut shame women | event |
Abortion map of Europe. | blog |
Judge Orders Messiah's Parents to Change His Name | event |
United States Republican Party Thread | related issue |
Irish Abortion Non Reform | event |
Abortion debate | abortion thread |
Regarding Rape Culture: Its Presence and Method of Attack | related issue |
Joe Biden's position on abortion | event |
IPhones against abortion! | event |
Yet Another Baby-killing Thread | abortion thread |
Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill! | event |
Should anti-abortion advocacy be illegal? | related issue |
Indiana Makes Same-Sex Marriage A Felony | related issue |
North Carolina is being Stupid Again. | event |
Irish politician in "Lap-gate" | event |
A sisters plea for justice for the death of her sibling | event |
Aborting past the 20th week | abortion thread |
A Reprieve For Texas? | event |
Abortion: Young vs Old | abortion thread |
Wendy Davis Is Going for a 13 Hour Filibuster | related issue |
2013 NSG Ideological Survey! | related issue |
BARACK OBAMA, IGNORE OTHER | related issue |
Circumcision | related issue |
Woman forced to get an abortion. Held as a sex slave. | event |
Making General More General? | related issue |
Irony is a strange concept to you, isn't it?
Instead of having to scroll through 50 threads to find the topics I'm interested in, I only have to scroll past one.
I mean, this is pretty simple stuff.
Except it is, for the reason I (and many others before, throughout the thread) just gave you.
by Juristonia » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:37 am
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.
And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.
by Forsher » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:43 am
Juristonia wrote:At this point, you're literally just arguing for the sake of arguing.
The majority of the posters here have told you why there are megathreads, and why they'd like to keep them. Mods have told you why there are megathreads and why they'd like to keep them.
Your stubborn refusal to accept that is as pointless and tiresome as your insistence that using lots of words means you're actually saying a lot.
But I'm just glad you seem to have found a hobby you enjoy, so, knock yourself out.
by Twilight Imperium » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:03 am
Forsher wrote:
Argument ad populum...
by Forsher » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:32 am
Caleonia wrote:I second this with more emphasis. If we got rid of megathreads we’d probably have about 100 different threads of people talking about the same thing without even knowing about it. Clumping together similar topics is important because it helps reduce the clogging of the forums and the amount of threads the moderators have to check whenever there’s an issue.
Luziyca wrote:Personally, no. I remember the days when NSG lacked megathreads. Back in those days, it was not uncommon for the front page to be covered in topics that are basically identical. When they were first introduced, it helped corral many of these topics to one place, allowing for other threads on other topics to get their turn in the limelight. They're not perfect, but it works well enough.
Wayneactia wrote:Is there anyone hold a gun to your head forcing you to use the forums. If you don't like it, leave.
by Twilight Imperium » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:41 pm
by Forsher » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:52 pm
Twilight Imperium wrote:That guy really wasn't kidding about you confusing "more words" for "saying more", was he? Anyway, let's apply some Chesterton to this:
If a man tells you that you look like a horse, punch him in the nose.
If another man tells you you look like a horse, sock him in the eye.
If a third man does it, consider having hay for lunch.
How is it that after all these people telling you you look like a horse you're not even considering being saddled?
You'd think so, wouldn't you, except we're not. We're arguing about whether or not something happened and would happen. There is the attendant issue of whether or not whatever might've happened was "good" or "bad" but no-one is actually interested in talking about that either.
by The Black Forrest » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:55 pm
Celticland wrote:Yes. It has been years since I have been on this site and one the first things I noticed coming back today was that the forums seem to have really declined in quality and diversity of topics and ideas. The mods just tow stuff into the megathreads where the marginally-related topics which should have their own threads get lost and die in these massive echochambers. Most of the posts in these megathreads are just the same few people over and over again and they dominate these megathreads. Such dominance only further deters people with different opinions from contributing. There is hardly real conversation or debate anymore.
Bottom line, the megathreads are pointless and only serve to contain somewhat controversial topics at the expense of diversity of opinion and quality of NSG through the creation of these echochambers.
by Twilight Imperium » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:58 pm
Forsher wrote:words
by Katganistan » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:08 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:There just seems to be an unwillingness by non right wing people to participate in the RWDT for some reason.
by Forsher » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:27 pm
Ghost Land wrote:Grenartia wrote:...much of the content in many of them, such as the abortion thread, is just the same few arguments thrown around back and forth among largely the same few users, and because that megathread is always option, the same arguments are constantly rehashed and there's no true opportunity for the conversation to die out.
So, basically, the complaint is that topics you're not interested in continue to be discussed. In a contained manner, so there aren't MULTIPLE threads on that same topic you don't want to be discussed.
by Forsher » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:34 pm
Twilight Imperium wrote:Forsher wrote:words
Sure, except we have multiple mods chiming in to say "yes it was a problem, that's why we did an active change to site policy and we are reaping the benefits thereof" and you're coming in with "yeah but I searched NSG so you're wrong about that".
You're advancing an unpopular position with some pretty weak evidence and wondering that you're not being taken seriously. Are you sure you know how this works?
Frisbeeteria wrote:I'm not in favor of getting rid of the megathreads, but this ...
Frisbeeteria wrote:We think it's better to have one ongoing thread on, say, abortion rather than 50 new ones every time someone gets a bug to start a new one. That's really the only thing that we should be discussing.
Katganistan wrote:No. The megathreads were created to contain multiple threads on the same topic because it WAS a problem. No one wanted to see ten threads on the top page of general on abortion, or elections, or, you know, the things that ARE megathreads.
NERVUN wrote:Personally (NOT Mod statement), I do agree with you that a number of them have slowly devolved from talking about what it means to be X, or explaining X's policy/philosophy into under the radar chat threads.
THAT said, I still feel there's some value in allowing various megathreads as is because they do provide a place for those endless philosophical/policy debates/beating dead horses that NSG so loves and that come to dominate just about any other thread on things that are even slightly related to that topic.
Are you sure you know how this works?
by Forsher » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:47 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:The megathreads eliminated “the same few people over and over again” multiple threads with the same arguments.
by The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:11 am
Forsher wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:The megathreads eliminated “the same few people over and over again” multiple threads with the same arguments.
No, they didn't.
They took them and put them in one thread.
What is the difference between being in Abortion Thread Jan, Feb, Mar etc. etc. and having the Abortion Megathread year round?
I'll tell you... it's the demise of forum turnover. It's the end of an NSG where you could plausibly go and get news. It's a place where conversations are made basically completely inaccessible since it's the same few people making the same arguments... but exclusively in threads with hundreds of pages and no-where to start.
What is that for a new poster who's never been here before? It doesn't matter how many times you've seen that discussion on NSG, they've never been on NSG before. If you're not interested in them, quite simply don't post in them until you are. But, for them? Putting the conversation in a megathread is a big barrier to entry.
People in this thread have repeatedly voiced "got mine, screw everyone else" and been praised for it. I, on the other hand, claim this is killing the forum. I have shown evidence consistent with that prediction. It's not great evidence, I admit. But it's there.
I have similarly shown evidence that there was no consistent pattern of duplicated threads based on a sample of two threads a year between 2012 and 2017 (2018 had one available year). I have also shown that since 2015, there has been a greater and greater concentration of megathreads on the front page... reducing diversity (today's threads are going to be about 50% the same as next week's and next month's threads by design). I have suggested that these issues would be alleviated by reducing the number of pinned topics.
How we used to do megathreads wasn't a problem. What we're doing now? Is.
by Caleonia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:49 am
Forsher wrote:Caleonia wrote:
I meant the whole “being able to check entire megathreads in a day and understand what is going on” part. I just found hammer’s the most convenient to quote
You deny megathreads are dominated by the same few people? that they contain topics that would otherwise be separate threads? that they're echochambers?
by Ghost Land » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:25 pm
Forsher wrote:Ghost Land wrote:
So, basically, the complaint is that topics you're not interested in continue to be discussed. In a contained manner, so there aren't MULTIPLE threads on that same topic you don't want to be discussed.
What happened here?
This post used to contain a breakdown of the front page of NSG? Why doesn't it any more?
by Katganistan » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:55 pm
Grenartia wrote:
...much of the content in many of them, such as the abortion thread, is just the same few arguments thrown around back and forth among largely the same few users, and because that megathread is always option, the same arguments are constantly rehashed and there's no true opportunity for the conversation to die out.
by Twilight Imperium » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 pm
Ghost Land wrote:For the record, let me say that I do agree with Forsher's ideas and the vast majority of his reasoning. Topics in NSG these days are too stale for my money too, and newcomers aren't going to be particularly enthralled by a short list of unchanging topics day after day
by Ghost Land » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:11 pm
Katganistan wrote:Grenartia wrote:
...much of the content in many of them, such as the abortion thread, is just the same few arguments thrown around back and forth among largely the same few users, and because that megathread is always option, the same arguments are constantly rehashed and there's no true opportunity for the conversation to die out.
So, basically, the complaint is that topics you're not interested in continue to be discussed. In a contained manner, so there aren't MULTIPLE threads on that same topic you don't want to be discussed.
(Sorry for the mess earlier. It appears I edited, rather than quoted the post. I've restored the original.)
by Katganistan » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:01 pm
Ghost Land wrote:Katganistan wrote:
So, basically, the complaint is that topics you're not interested in continue to be discussed. In a contained manner, so there aren't MULTIPLE threads on that same topic you don't want to be discussed.
(Sorry for the mess earlier. It appears I edited, rather than quoted the post. I've restored the original.)
Thank you for fixing my post.
by Jebslund » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:15 pm
Twilight Imperium wrote:Ghost Land wrote:For the record, let me say that I do agree with Forsher's ideas and the vast majority of his reasoning. Topics in NSG these days are too stale for my money too, and newcomers aren't going to be particularly enthralled by a short list of unchanging topics day after day
I mean, we still have Infected Mushroom threads and that guy who wanted to vote on everything with bitcoin or whatever before he ran off.
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