The Skyrim/Elder Scrolls thread

[San Lumen]

Did anyone else hear whispers of another skyrim?

Elder scrolls VI is in early development but it will almost certainly be a next generation game. I wonder how they will rectify all the possible choices the player character can make.

[Valrifell]

Did anyone else hear whispers of another skyrim?

Elder scrolls VI is in early development but it will almost certainly be a next generation game. I wonder how they will rectify all the possible choices the player character can make.

They've already written themselves into and out of a corner with Daggerfall.

Skyrim will be split, somehow, between the Dominion, Empire, and an independent realm. The Last Dragonborn will be thrown into eternal service for Hermaeus Mora as per the Dragonborn DLC and every other choice that could be alluded to in future games will be the typical "we somehow forgot this important detail of history lol".

The explanation will be "Akatosh did it"

[The first Galactic Republic]

Alternatively, they’ll just jump ahead enough centuries to make the political developments relatively irrelevant.

[North German Realm]

Alternatively, they’ll just jump ahead enough centuries to make the political developments relatively irrelevant.

Not really. Skyrim's probably the beginning of a new arc for the larget franchise (ignoring ESO). The next game will probably happen not that long after Skyrim, but somewhere far enough that most of the events in Skyrim won't matter. I'm hoping it's not any of the Thalmor provinces, but I digress. The fact is that apart from the Dragon Crisis itself, literally none of the events that happen in Skyrim are important in the long run. Skyrim isn't important enough a province for the Empire to actually garrison (Imperial City literally doesn't even care there's a civil war, they have bigger fish to fry -that is to say, the chaos of Cyrodiil itself, the Elves in the Southern Borders, et al) so the result of the civil war won't matter, and The College, Brotherhood, Thieves' Guild, and the Companions are all substories that won't even make sense without the context of Skyrim.

[Impaled Nazarene]

It's been nearly nine years and I'm still not over the fact that Bethesda retconned Nordic culture so hilariously badly that the Nords literally worship the Imperial Cult instead of their own Old Gods.

Pisses me off so much. This is why bethesda shouldn't touch games.

[Ism]

Easiest way to get around the civil war is just to say the Moot ended up electing someone other than the two main candidates, probably the LDB, but then they disappeared because of Daedric shenanigans. Then they could just pull another Daggerfall, so that in the ensuing succession crisis, Skyrim is officially split into two parts, the west being an Imperial province and the east being an independent kingdom, each ruled by the "true" High King/Queen of Skyrim.

Alternatively, they’ll just jump ahead enough centuries to make the political developments relatively irrelevant.

Not really. Skyrim's probably the beginning of a new arc for the larget franchise (ignoring ESO). The next game will probably happen not that long after Skyrim, but somewhere far enough that most of the events in Skyrim won't matter. I'm hoping it's not any of the Thalmor provinces, but I digress. The fact is that apart from the Dragon Crisis itself, literally none of the events that happen in Skyrim are important in the long run. Skyrim isn't important enough a province for the Empire to actually garrison (Imperial City literally doesn't even care there's a civil war, they have bigger fish to fry -that is to say, the chaos of Cyrodiil itself, the Elves in the Southern Borders, et al) so the result of the civil war won't matter, and The College, Brotherhood, Thieves' Guild, and the Companions are all substories that won't even make sense without the context of Skyrim.

Skyrim is definitely important to the Empire, in no small part due to the value of Nordic warriors in the Legion. Nordic legions were pivotal in the Battle of the Red RIng, as I recall, and the natural resources of Skyrim are important to the ailing Empire's economy. Not to mention, it is the only thing connecting Cyrodiil and High Rock, thus, if it were to become independent, the two remaining provinces of the Empire would be cut off from each other, save by sea. And it would be much easier for the Thalmor to disrupt maritime travel and trade than it would terrestrial travel and trade. In addition to losing control of Skyrim's resources, this would be a massive blow to the Imperial economy. Also, with an independent Skyrim, Cyrodiil is screwed. It would have three wild cards bordering it, Hammerfell, Skyrim and Argonia, and two hostile client states, Valenwood and Elsweyr. Only Morrowind wouldn't be a potential threat, and that's only because it's so weak right now. And High Rock is not in a good position either, as it is now wedged between two independant states with a grudge against the Empire. As the saying goes, divide et impera, and that's would happen here.

[North German Realm]

Skyrim is definitely important to the Empire, in no small part due to the value of Nordic warriors in the Legion. Nordic legions were pivotal in the Battle of the Red RIng, as I recall, and the natural resources of Skyrim are important to the ailing Empire's economy. Not to mention, it is the only thing connecting Cyrodiil and High Rock, thus, if it were to become independent, the two remaining provinces of the Empire would be cut off from each other, save by sea. And it would be much easier for the Thalmor to disrupt maritime travel and trade than it would terrestrial travel and trade. In addition to losing control of Skyrim's resources, this would be a massive blow to the Imperial economy. Also, with an independent Skyrim, Cyrodiil is screwed. It would have three wild cards bordering it, Hammerfell, Skyrim and Argonia, and two hostile client states, Valenwood and Elsweyr. Only Morrowind wouldn't be a potential threat, and that's only because it's so weak right now. And High Rock is not in a good position either, as it is now wedged between two independant states with a grudge against the Empire. As the saying goes, divide et impera, and that's would happen here.

Whatever importance Skyrim does (and it's not resources. Skyrim doesn't have any resources outside of the Reach and the Rift. It just has more "inferior, barbaric races" to throw at the Dominion in case of future war), it's certainly not enough to ensure more Imperial protection of its assets. Of course, the fact Cyrodiil is haunted by riots and highwayman shenanigans and they have to concentrate all their forces in the Southern border doesn't help either. That said, I like your idea about the Old Holds and New getting separated again.

[Valrifell]

It's been nearly nine years and I'm still not over the fact that Bethesda retconned Nordic culture so hilariously badly that the Nords literally worship the Imperial Cult instead of their own Old Gods.

Pisses me off so much. This is why bethesda shouldn't touch games.

TES lore is just super fucked, at this point. They need a professional writing staff.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Pisses me off so much. This is why bethesda shouldn't touch games.

TES lore is just super fucked, at this point. They need a professional writing staff.

Even old Obsidian without their deadline curse couldn't unfuck it.

[Great Aletia]

I doubt we'll get any real answers as to what happened to the Last Dragonborn. There will be references to how they defeated Alduin, stopped Miraak, and fought in the civil war, but probably nothing more. We probably won't even know what side of the civil war they fought on or what really happened to them in the end. Like the Nerevarine and the Hero of Kvatch, there will probably be a passing reference to how they disappeared and that will be it.

[North German Realm]

I doubt we'll get any real answers as to what happened to the Last Dragonborn. There will be references to how they defeated Alduin, stopped Miraak, and fought in the civil war, but probably nothing more. We probably won't even know what side of the civil war they fought on or what really happened to them in the end. Like the Nerevarine and the Hero of Kvatch, there will probably be a passing reference to how they disappeared and that will be it.

Eh, the question of Dark Brotherhood remains (I mean, they worked correctly by making it "Falkreath Sanctuary burns down either way" but unless they retcon it at a later date that the survivor of the Brotherhood (Which is, I think, Babette?) assassinates Titus II either way, it certainly won't be easy to handwave it away)

[Ism]

I doubt we'll get any real answers as to what happened to the Last Dragonborn. There will be references to how they defeated Alduin, stopped Miraak, and fought in the civil war, but probably nothing more. We probably won't even know what side of the civil war they fought on or what really happened to them in the end. Like the Nerevarine and the Hero of Kvatch, there will probably be a passing reference to how they disappeared and that will be it.

Eh, the question of Dark Brotherhood remains (I mean, they worked correctly by making it "Falkreath Sanctuary burns down either way" but unless they retcon it at a later date that the survivor of the Brotherhood (Which is, I think, Babette?) assassinates Titus II either way, it certainly won't be easy to handwave it away)

Don't forget Cicero.

[North German Realm]

Eh, the question of Dark Brotherhood remains (I mean, they worked correctly by making it "Falkreath Sanctuary burns down either way" but unless they retcon it at a later date that the survivor of the Brotherhood (Which is, I think, Babette?) assassinates Titus II either way, it certainly won't be easy to handwave it away)

Don't forget Cicero.

I didn't. Babette is the only one that you know, for absolute certain, that doesn't die no matter what. Cicero's fate, like that of everyone else, depends on what the Listener (if they're a distinct character from the Last Dragonborn) does.

[Valrifell]

I doubt we'll get any real answers as to what happened to the Last Dragonborn. There will be references to how they defeated Alduin, stopped Miraak, and fought in the civil war, but probably nothing more. We probably won't even know what side of the civil war they fought on or what really happened to them in the end. Like the Nerevarine and the Hero of Kvatch, there will probably be a passing reference to how they disappeared and that will be it.

They've already kinda set up an out for the Last Dragonborn since he replaced Miraak as HM's eternal servant. They could just say he or she walks his plane of Oblivion.

[North German Realm]

I doubt we'll get any real answers as to what happened to the Last Dragonborn. There will be references to how they defeated Alduin, stopped Miraak, and fought in the civil war, but probably nothing more. We probably won't even know what side of the civil war they fought on or what really happened to them in the end. Like the Nerevarine and the Hero of Kvatch, there will probably be a passing reference to how they disappeared and that will be it.

They've already kinda set up an out for the Last Dragonborn since he replaced Miraak as HM's eternal servant. They could just say he or she walks his plane of Oblivion.

I deny that that ever happened. As far as I'm concerned, Miraak mantled Mora and his "Death" was the last necessary key for the event to actually take place (like how Tiber' death at the hand of Vivec was necessary for Talos to mantle Lorkhan)

[The first Galactic Republic]

I doubt we'll get any real answers as to what happened to the Last Dragonborn. There will be references to how they defeated Alduin, stopped Miraak, and fought in the civil war, but probably nothing more. We probably won't even know what side of the civil war they fought on or what really happened to them in the end. Like the Nerevarine and the Hero of Kvatch, there will probably be a passing reference to how they disappeared and that will be it.

They've already kinda set up an out for the Last Dragonborn since he replaced Miraak as HM's eternal servant. They could just say he or she walks his plane of Oblivion.

But the Dragonborn’s soul also belongs to Akatosh, right?

Would it be a case of the DB technically being fated to go to Sovngarde, but not being able to because they live in Hermaeus Mora’s realm?

I never liked the implications of that DLC’s main quest. There’s something incredibly anticlimactic about the Dragonborn’s tale ultimately ending with them stuck in bookland because they didn’t think their actions through.

[North German Realm]

They've already kinda set up an out for the Last Dragonborn since he replaced Miraak as HM's eternal servant. They could just say he or she walks his plane of Oblivion.

But the Dragonborn’s soul also belongs to Akatosh, right?

Would it be a case of the DB technically being fated to go to Sovngarde, but not being able to because they live in Hermaeus Mora’s realm?

I never liked the implications of that DLC’s main quest. There’s something incredibly anticlimactic about the Dragonborn’s tale ultimately ending with them stuck in bookland because they didn’t think their actions through.

1- Not necessarily. The Dragonborn as a concept is shady enough that you can safely say he specifically belongs to anyone but Akatosh ("his soul belongs to Akatosh" is actually not even supported by the Lore. The Dragonborn is decidedly a Shezarrine, not one of Auri-El's lackeys)

2- Eh. The Dragonborn is theoretically a literal living god. Living gods don't "belong" to any daedric soul. Mora was probably talking out of his ass

3- Any more anticlimactic than the Gatewalker not thinking his actions through and mantling the Prince of Madness?

[The first Galactic Republic]

But the Dragonborn’s soul also belongs to Akatosh, right?

Would it be a case of the DB technically being fated to go to Sovngarde, but not being able to because they live in Hermaeus Mora’s realm?

I never liked the implications of that DLC’s main quest. There’s something incredibly anticlimactic about the Dragonborn’s tale ultimately ending with them stuck in bookland because they didn’t think their actions through.

1- Not necessarily. The Dragonborn as a concept is shady enough that you can safely say he specifically belongs to anyone but Akatosh ("his soul belongs to Akatosh" is actually not even supported by the Lore. The Dragonborn is decidedly a Shezarrine, not one of Auri-El's lackeys)

2- Eh. The Dragonborn is theoretically a literal living god. Living gods don't "belong" to any daedric soul. Mora was probably talking out of his ass

3- Any more anticlimactic than the Gatewalker not thinking his actions through and mantling the Prince of Madness?

I thought the Hero of Kvatch’s fate was kinda neat. Serving a Daedric prince doesn’t have the same oomph as getting to be one.

[North German Realm]

1- Not necessarily. The Dragonborn as a concept is shady enough that you can safely say he specifically belongs to anyone but Akatosh ("his soul belongs to Akatosh" is actually not even supported by the Lore. The Dragonborn is decidedly a Shezarrine, not one of Auri-El's lackeys)

2- Eh. The Dragonborn is theoretically a literal living god. Living gods don't "belong" to any daedric soul. Mora was probably talking out of his ass

3- Any more anticlimactic than the Gatewalker not thinking his actions through and mantling the Prince of Madness?

I thought the Hero of Kvatch’s fate was kinda neat. Serving a Daedric prince doesn’t have the same oomph as getting to be one.

It's about as anticlimactic -and more importantly, while it conveniently leaves the wheel open to pick her next favored Prisoner, it decidedly fucks up your ability to Roleplay.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Something Something Warp in The West

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Elder scrolls VI is in early development but it will almost certainly be a next generation game. I wonder how they will rectify all the possible choices the player character can make.

They've already written themselves into and out of a corner with Daggerfall.

Skyrim will be split, somehow, between the Dominion, Empire, and an independent realm. The Last Dragonborn will be thrown into eternal service for Hermaeus Mora as per the Dragonborn DLC and every other choice that could be alluded to in future games will be the typical "we somehow forgot this important detail of history lol".

The explanation will be "Akatosh did it"

great you spoiled the story line

[North German Realm]

They've already written themselves into and out of a corner with Daggerfall.

Skyrim will be split, somehow, between the Dominion, Empire, and an independent realm. The Last Dragonborn will be thrown into eternal service for Hermaeus Mora as per the Dragonborn DLC and every other choice that could be alluded to in future games will be the typical "we somehow forgot this important detail of history lol".

The explanation will be "Akatosh did it"

great you spoiled the story line

It's been eight years.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Really? wow....it has hasn't it. What the hell are they waiting for? How long does it take to make a ground breaking sequel?

[Impaled Nazarene]

Really? wow....it has hasn't it. What the hell are they waiting for? How long does it take to make a ground breaking sequel?

Don't you know that re-releases are proper sequels?

[Skylus]

Happy 8th birthday, Skyrim