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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:15 am

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As always, she and her inbred minions will be fine whilst the rest of us get our arseholes annexed by the might of the Tory thundercock.

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Basically in October, the entire legislature is gonna be ended, leaving only the Prime Minister and friends?

Did you seriously think that Boris Johnson had abolished the legislative branch of a country with parliamentary supremacy, or am I just totally misinterpreting your post?


If Boris gave two hoots about Parliamentary Supremacy he wouldn't be doing this.
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:16 am

Fucking hell. I knew there was a reason I didn't follow the news anymore.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:22 am

Its not about parliamentary sovereignty it’s about national sovereignty. Parliament is stuffed to the gills with remainers and Boris knows it.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:23 am

Greater Loegria wrote:Its not about parliamentary sovereignty it’s about national sovereignty. Parliament is stuffed to the gills with remainers and Boris knows it.


Really? Because it was my understanding that Brexit was about restoring Parliamentary Sovereignty.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:25 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Its not about parliamentary sovereignty it’s about national sovereignty. Parliament is stuffed to the gills with remainers and Boris knows it.


Really? Because it was my understanding that Brexit was about restoring Parliamentary Sovereignty.

No. National sovereignty. Normally that would imply parliament but not when it is in hoc with Brussels.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:26 am

Greater Loegria wrote:Its not about parliamentary sovereignty it’s about national sovereignty. Parliament is stuffed to the gills with remainers and Boris knows it.

Hopefully so, they'll be able to bring down the government and prevent Brexit.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:26 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Queenie has approved BoJo's dastardly plan. Getting Palpatine vibes off BoJo now.


As always, she and her inbred minions will be fine whilst the rest of us get our arseholes annexed by the might of the Tory thundercock.

Well it’s certainly mighty.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:27 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Its not about parliamentary sovereignty it’s about national sovereignty. Parliament is stuffed to the gills with remainers and Boris knows it.

Hopefully so, they'll be able to bring down the government and prevent Brexit.

Which is why it must be circumvented.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:27 am

Vassenor wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:"The Queen has done what she is required by the constitution to do. Better go post something hateful about her online."

Did you seriously think that Boris Johnson had abolished the legislative branch of a country with parliamentary supremacy, or am I just totally misinterpreting your post?


If Boris gave two hoots about Parliamentary Supremacy he wouldn't be doing this.

Not my point at all.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:30 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Hopefully so, they'll be able to bring down the government and prevent Brexit.

Which is why it must be circumvented.

Still trying to punish the United Kingdom for the defeat of the Jacobites?


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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Its not about parliamentary sovereignty it’s about national sovereignty. Parliament is stuffed to the gills with remainers and Boris knows it.


Really? Because it was my understanding that Brexit was about restoring Parliamentary Sovereignty.

Brexit is about whatever any given Brexiteer wants it to be about at any given moment.


Greater Loegria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Hopefully so, they'll be able to bring down the government and prevent Brexit.

Which is why it must be circumvented.

Parliament is still sitting on Tuesday. If it's as full of Remainers as you say, then there's nothing Boris can do.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:32 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Really? Because it was my understanding that Brexit was about restoring Parliamentary Sovereignty.

No. National sovereignty. Normally that would imply parliament but not when it is in hoc with Brussels.


Nice to see you weren't paying attention during the referendum then. Because Parliamentary Sovereignty was a big thing in it.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:34 am

Ifreann wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Really? Because it was my understanding that Brexit was about restoring Parliamentary Sovereignty.

Brexit is about whatever any given Brexiteer wants it to be about at any given moment.

Well, they can't have it their way, if only because the Magic Kingdom is the intellectual property of Disney.


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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:35 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:No. National sovereignty. Normally that would imply parliament but not when it is in hoc with Brussels.


Nice to see you weren't paying attention during the referendum then. Because Parliamentary Sovereignty was a big thing in it.

Oh I know that was the line of many. It’s just problematic when that’s the institution least interested in securing said sovereignty for itself.

Turkeys voting for Christmas the lot of them.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:38 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Nice to see you weren't paying attention during the referendum then. Because Parliamentary Sovereignty was a big thing in it.

Oh I know that was the line of many. It’s just problematic when that’s the institution least interested in securing said sovereignty for itself.

Turkeys voting for Christmas the lot of them.


So we're going with the Daily Mail ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE bullshit?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Oh I know that was the line of many. It’s just problematic when that’s the institution least interested in securing said sovereignty for itself.

Turkeys voting for Christmas the lot of them.


So we're going with the Daily Mail ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE bullshit?

The truth is now bullshit to you?
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:40 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Oh I know that was the line of many. It’s just problematic when that’s the institution least interested in securing said sovereignty for itself.

Turkeys voting for Christmas the lot of them.


So we're going with the Daily Mail ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE bullshit?

Yes.
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Postby Tybra » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:43 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Brexit is about whatever any given Brexiteer wants it to be about at any given moment.

Well, they can't have it their way, if only because the Magic Kingdom is the intellectual property of Disney.


No it's because Disney is in cahoots with Brussels obviously.

It's just such a great argument, just blame Brussels for everything wrong with Brexit. After all they're also at fault for not giving me my flying pigs.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:45 am

Zurkerx wrote:So, Boris asks to suspend Parliament for several weeks and the Queen granted I hear. Seems he's destine for a hard exit, which he wants anyway.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:48 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So we're going with the Daily Mail ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE bullshit?

Yes.


So you hate the idea of independent courts as well. Interesting.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:51 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:So, Boris asks to suspend Parliament for several weeks and the Queen granted I hear. Seems he's destine for a hard exit, which he wants anyway.

“How to end the UK 101 by BoJo”

I could have wrote his playbook.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:52 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Yes.


So you hate the idea of independent courts as well. Interesting.

Courts independent of European jurisdiction. At the moment it seems many of our judges are happy to take laws from overseas.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:55 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So we're going with the Daily Mail ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE bullshit?

The truth is now bullshit to you?

Says the poster who fantasises constantly about Brexit destroying society and some kind of utopia rising from the ashes.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The truth is now bullshit to you?

Says the poster who fantasises constantly about Brexit destroying society and some kind of utopia rising from the ashes.


Or some kind of dark demonic dystopia.

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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The truth is now bullshit to you?

Says the poster who fantasises constantly about Brexit destroying society and some kind of utopia rising from the ashes.

Seeking a utopia is impossible. The word literally means ‘no place’.
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