MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

by **Valrifell** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:18 am

Disney is usually the diabolical multinational corporation, so I wouldn't be too eager to side with them.

by **Alvecia** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:20 am

I just hate this is happening regardless of cause or blame.

by **The Krogan** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:23 am

Give the rights of Spider-man to the people, seize the means of superhero production!

by **Alvecia** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:26 am

The Krogan wrote:Give the rights of Spider-man to the people, seize the means of superhero production!

Iron Marx

by **Christian Confederation** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:31 am

Great job marvel and Sony, thanks to your BS everyone's Angry and the Tom Holland Spiderman franchise is all but dead.

by **Forsher** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:11 am

The Krogan wrote:Give the rights of Spider-man to the people, seize the means of superhero production!

Impeach Iger!

Charging for Movies is Theft!

FanFiction is canon!

by **Christian Confederation** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:38 am

Forsher wrote:
The Krogan wrote:Give the rights of Spider-man to the people, seize the means of superhero production!

Impeach Iger!

Charging for Movies is Theft!

FanFiction is canon!

There should only be two studios.
Disney and Warner Bros, they must buy out all others and fight for domanance!

by **Lord Dominator** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:36 am

I'm personally blaming both, given that I understand Sony didn't make a counter-offer or anything (ie, negotiation/bargaining) and just refused.

by **Great Algerstonia** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:42 am

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1249918

I made a dispatch on the whole situation. Please upvote.

by **Vassenor** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:29 am

Update: Watts is out.

by **Valrifell** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:21 pm

Alvecia wrote:
The Krogan wrote:Give the rights of Spider-man to the people, seize the means of superhero production!

Iron Marx

Spiderengels

by **Myrensis** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:41 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:On the one hand, pretty much every aspect of Holland's Spider-Man's character development has been built around Tony as his mentor figure, which leaves him in an incredibly weird position story-wise if they can't use any MCU stuff in future.

On the other hand, maybe no more of the MCU's morally questionable shit?

It's not just Stark, it's...literally nothing from the previous 4 movies he's appeared in can be used.

So I expect Sony will shit the bed and give us a reboot, and we'll have to go through the origin story yet again.

by **Great Algerstonia** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:06 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:On the one hand, pretty much every aspect of Holland's Spider-Man's character development has been built around Tony as his mentor figure, which leaves him in an incredibly weird position story-wise if they can't use any MCU stuff in future.

On the other hand, maybe no more of the MCU's morally questionable shit?

It's not just Stark, it's...literally nothing from the previous 4 movies he's appeared in can be used.

So I expect Sony will shit the bed and give us a reboot, and we'll have to go through the origin story yet again.

Spider-Man will never have gone to space, Spider-Man will never have been snapped away by Thanos...

O.o

by **New haven america** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:13 pm

Valrifell wrote:Disney is usually the diabolical multinational corporation, so I wouldn't be too eager to side with them.

Disney is being a diabolical corporation.

They didn't get what they wanted, so they made Sony look like the bad guy and sick their extreme fans on them. TBH, this is a shit show from both sides.

They did this with Netflix too, they pulled all their shit except for the MCU shows from there to make their own streaming service, Netflix retaliated by refusing to further support Disney's properties, and then hardcore Disney fans caught wind of this and made out Netflix to be the bad guys.

by **Vassenor** » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:08 am

>Sony should just go all in on Miles Morales and have him star in live-action movies to distance themselves from the MCU.

...I'm OK with this. Both because I like Miles as a character and because it'll drive the chuds crazy.

by **Vassenor** » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:45 am

Also it turns out that the deal Disney was pushing was for a 70-30 split in Sony's favour.

by **Valrifell** » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:24 am

Vassenor wrote:Also it turns out that the deal Disney was pushing was for a 70-30 split in Sony's favour.

An important caveat is thar Marvel keeps the merchandising rights to sell things like toys and other products. When you account for the fact that Disney is also getting 100% of the indirect revenue from the films, it makes sense why Sony would be hesitant to give them any ground.

by **Cannot think of a name** » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:49 am

Valrifell wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Also it turns out that the deal Disney was pushing was for a 70-30 split in Sony's favour.

An important caveat is thar Marvel keeps the merchandising rights to sell things like toys and other products. When you account for the fact that Disney is also getting 100% of the indirect revenue from the films, it makes sense why Sony would be hesitant to give them any ground.

Disney already had the merchandising rights, though. It wouldn't have been a change. Sony didn't actually ask for anything, it just went "nah" and peaced out.

by **The first Galactic Republic** » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:05 pm

You know, the funny thing about all this is that Disney trailblazed modern copyright and trademark laws on fictional characters, and is largely responsible for extending the dates in the first place. They do a lot of lobbying whenever Mickey Mouse is close to becoming public domain.

Spider-Man would have been public domain by now if not for these many extensions.

So, yeah. Bit of irony there.

by **Alvecia** » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:06 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:You know, the funny thing about all this is that Disney trailblazed modern copyright and trademark laws on fictional characters, and is largely responsible for extending the dates in the first place. They do a lot of lobbying whenever Mickey Mouse is close to becoming public domain.

Spider-Man would have been public domain by now if not for these many extensions.

So, yeah. Bit of irony there.

I thihnk all told, they'd probably call worth.

by **Valrifell** » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:28 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
An important caveat is thar Marvel keeps the merchandising rights to sell things like toys and other products. When you account for the fact that Disney is also getting 100% of the indirect revenue from the films, it makes sense why Sony would be hesitant to give them any ground.

Disney already had the merchandising rights, though. It wouldn't have been a change. Sony didn't actually ask for anything, it just went "nah" and peaced out.

Yeah, but Disney asked for more then they were already getting, cutting into Sony's profits more than they were. That's just flexing corporate muscles, I wouldn't doubt if sicking the fans on Sony was part of the plan.

Of course, you're also right in that Sony was being a douche canoe by not even counteroffering. Both aren't exactly blameless here.

by **Gig em Aggies** » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:56 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Disney already had the merchandising rights, though. It wouldn't have been a change. Sony didn't actually ask for anything, it just went "nah" and peaced out.

Yeah, but Disney asked for more then they were already getting, cutting into Sony's profits more than they were. That's just flexing corporate muscles, I wouldn't doubt if sicking the fans on Sony was part of the plan.

Of course, you're also right in that Sony was being a douche canoe by not even counteroffering. Both aren't exactly blameless here.

besides what good is Spiderman now to Sony they could go back to the Andrew Garfield Spiderman films and continue on that story line or make a forth Toby Maguire spider man film but with the way FFH set up further Spiderman/MCU stories Sony's trip ends with FFH.

by **Andsed** » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:55 pm

Honestly I don´t really care who is to blame for this whole Spiderman mess. All I am is just a bit disappointed that we may not get to see more MCU Spiderman as Holland was my favorite live action spidey.

by **Forsher** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:22 am

Valrifell wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Disney already had the merchandising rights, though. It wouldn't have been a change. Sony didn't actually ask for anything, it just went "nah" and peaced out.

Yeah, but Disney asked for more then they were already getting, cutting into Sony's profits more than they were. That's just flexing corporate muscles, I wouldn't doubt if sicking the fans on Sony was part of the plan.

Of course, you're also right in that Sony was being a douche canoe by not even counteroffering. Both aren't exactly blameless here.

Are you a douche canoe for not negotiating with the highwayman demanding your money or your life?

by **The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:08 am

Any updates on that whole spidy thing? Last I heard noguations where still on going.

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