by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:35 pm
by Borovan entered the region as he » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:55 pm
by Ransium » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:07 pm
by Frisbeeteria » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:10 pm
by Scomagia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:26 am
Ransium wrote:We do lift DOSes sometime on a case by case bases. Different mods have different feelings about when and if this should be done. Generally, if someone hasn’t been DOSed for something that awful and hasn’t tried to sneak back in or otherwise made an annoyance of themselves and then they file a GHR asking to be let back in, we’ll at least give it due consideration. And if DOSes are with us and have changed their behavior to avoid detention that’s still pretty much a win as far as I’m concerned.
Personally, I wouldn’t be against having the option to enact a DOS for a fixed period of time for some cases where maturity is a clear issue, and there’s been some discussion of it, but I definitely wouldn’t want that to be the only option.
by Jebslund » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:37 am
Scomagia wrote:Ransium wrote:We do lift DOSes sometime on a case by case bases. Different mods have different feelings about when and if this should be done. Generally, if someone hasn’t been DOSed for something that awful and hasn’t tried to sneak back in or otherwise made an annoyance of themselves and then they file a GHR asking to be let back in, we’ll at least give it due consideration. And if DOSes are with us and have changed their behavior to avoid detention that’s still pretty much a win as far as I’m concerned.
Personally, I wouldn’t be against having the option to enact a DOS for a fixed period of time for some cases where maturity is a clear issue, and there’s been some discussion of it, but I definitely wouldn’t want that to be the only option.
How does on file a GHR without "sneaking back in"?
by Big Jim P » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:37 am
Scomagia wrote:Ransium wrote:We do lift DOSes sometime on a case by case bases. Different mods have different feelings about when and if this should be done. Generally, if someone hasn’t been DOSed for something that awful and hasn’t tried to sneak back in or otherwise made an annoyance of themselves and then they file a GHR asking to be let back in, we’ll at least give it due consideration. And if DOSes are with us and have changed their behavior to avoid detention that’s still pretty much a win as far as I’m concerned.
Personally, I wouldn’t be against having the option to enact a DOS for a fixed period of time for some cases where maturity is a clear issue, and there’s been some discussion of it, but I definitely wouldn’t want that to be the only option.
How does on file a GHR without "sneaking back in"?
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:44 am
by Jebslund » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:54 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Totally agree with UMN, but would go further:
I'd totally get rid of the punishment.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:57 am
Jebslund wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Totally agree with UMN, but would go further:
I'd totally get rid of the punishment.
I wouldn't. I've been site staff (on other sites, not here) before. There are times when a person has proven that they have absolutely no intention of following the rules and it is affecting other members' enjoyment of the site. For those players, DOS/permabanning is necessary. The fact that *some* players go on to mature enough to return does not mean *all* players do, or even that those who do will do so in a short enough period of time that it wouldn't be unnecessary extra work to go through the steps to punish them. I'm sure you've seen what DOS players do around here. Permabans exist because of players like that who will just keep causing trouble, often for months or years at a time if you let them.
by Jebslund » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:01 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Jebslund wrote:I wouldn't. I've been site staff (on other sites, not here) before. There are times when a person has proven that they have absolutely no intention of following the rules and it is affecting other members' enjoyment of the site. For those players, DOS/permabanning is necessary. The fact that *some* players go on to mature enough to return does not mean *all* players do, or even that those who do will do so in a short enough period of time that it wouldn't be unnecessary extra work to go through the steps to punish them. I'm sure you've seen what DOS players do around here. Permabans exist because of players like that who will just keep causing trouble, often for months or years at a time if you let them.
I think a year-long ban would suffice
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:03 am
by The Sherpa Empire » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:08 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:09 am
The Sherpa Empire wrote:There are people that need to be banned for more than a year.
by Juristonia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:12 am
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.
And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.
by Vassenor » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:15 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Jebslund wrote:I wouldn't. I've been site staff (on other sites, not here) before. There are times when a person has proven that they have absolutely no intention of following the rules and it is affecting other members' enjoyment of the site. For those players, DOS/permabanning is necessary. The fact that *some* players go on to mature enough to return does not mean *all* players do, or even that those who do will do so in a short enough period of time that it wouldn't be unnecessary extra work to go through the steps to punish them. I'm sure you've seen what DOS players do around here. Permabans exist because of players like that who will just keep causing trouble, often for months or years at a time if you let them.
I think a year-long ban would suffice
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:16 am
by WayNeacTia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:34 am
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by Lamoni » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:40 am
Licana on the M-21A2 MBT: "Well, it is one of the most badass tanks on NS."
Vortiaganica: Lamoni I understand fully, of course. The two (Lamoni & Lyras) are more inseparable than the Clinton family and politics.
Triplebaconation: Lamoni commands a quiet respect that carries its own authority. He is the Mandela of NS.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:53 am
Lamoni wrote:Just for GVH's edification, but the DOS punishment is not going anywhere, and you really cannot be serious about making the harshest punishment be only a year's ban. The vast majority of people who get DOSed do not improve after only one year, and indeed would go on to troll and harass people for years to come, if we let them.
by Aclion » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:15 am
Scomagia wrote:How does on file a GHR without "sneaking back in"?
by Kaedijork » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:22 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:NationStates has been around now for nearly 20 years, there are certainly people who have been made DOS who are very different people from when they were first DOS from the sight... There are probably even DOS people among us right now who are contributing constructively to the community.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:33 am
by Lamoni » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:36 am
Licana on the M-21A2 MBT: "Well, it is one of the most badass tanks on NS."
Vortiaganica: Lamoni I understand fully, of course. The two (Lamoni & Lyras) are more inseparable than the Clinton family and politics.
Triplebaconation: Lamoni commands a quiet respect that carries its own authority. He is the Mandela of NS.
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