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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:50 am

Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If he lacked a cooperative Senate, which he almost certainly would, then he really wouldn't be due to sheer gridlock and an inability to pass anything.

Though tbh I don't think that would entirely be a bad thing. Much as Trump's presidency helped kill the alt-right maybe an equally ineffective Sanders presidency could kneecap the left.


It might slow them down however I am pretty sure of the far-right we may only have experienced their primary form and first wave. With the seeds planted already and starting to bear their evil fruits.


Evil fruits? We'll have no alt-Pride here!
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:57 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It might slow them down however I am pretty sure of the far-right we may only have experienced their primary form and first wave. With the seeds planted already and starting to bear their evil fruits.


Evil fruits? We'll have no alt-Pride here!


Their tendrils are growing and spreading underground as we speak. The alt-right of 2015-17 may merely have been the first wave of future things, unseen yet to come. The entire rise of extremist terrorism is the proof thereof.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:18 am

Nakena wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Evil fruits? We'll have no alt-Pride here!


Their tendrils are growing and spreading underground as we speak. The alt-right of 2015-17 may merely have been the first wave of future things, unseen yet to come. The entire rise of extremist terrorism is the proof thereof.


"But muh ethknowsate!"
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:20 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Their tendrils are growing and spreading underground as we speak. The alt-right of 2015-17 may merely have been the first wave of future things, unseen yet to come. The entire rise of extremist terrorism is the proof thereof.


"But muh ethknowsate!"


Yes, yes I see you know it too.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:13 am

Kowani wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:“Supports: Liberty, Capitalism, Libertarianism, Low Taxes, Free Speech, Civic Nationalism, Representative Republics, Secularism, Atheism, Gun Rights”

God, do I feel stupid right now... :oops:

Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:16 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:God, do I feel stupid right now... :oops:

Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.


It's not a shitpost if it's true though.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:18 am

The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.
The plague has been worse for women.
It's true that more men are dying from COVID, but that's not exactly a cause for celebration.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:19 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.


It's not a shitpost if it's true though.

What makes you think my post about banning tankies is something I truly believe in?
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:21 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.


It's not a shitpost if it's true though.


Sometimes its hard to tell those days. But lets be honest, that makes it all the merrier.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.


The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.
Hellenistic pagan, firearms dealer/manufacturer, agrarian, loves old cinema. Cops are terrorists.
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Australian gun control didn't work. A rebuttal to the "well regulated militia" argument.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.

Yeah, it was quite obvious that we were talking about the US.
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If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:24 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.

I'm sure that is because of immigration.
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:25 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.


The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.


And nothing of value got lost. I have most of them as pretty cringy in memory. Which being said whoever is left now or still around of it is probably a true believer.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:25 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.


The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.

Good riddance. They were a faction of right-wing politics where the term "deplorable" fit.
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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:27 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.

I'm sure that is because of immigration.

Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:28 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.

Good riddance. They were a faction of right-wing politics where the term "deplorable" fit.


Comitted ones? Yes absolutly.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:31 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm sure that is because of immigration.

Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.

There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:35 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.

There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.


Weren't it for the mainstream parties ignoring this matter, Identitarians and nazis would have no chance. Their actual ideology and antics are widely unpopular.
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:35 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.

There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.

A war will be fought over this at some point, I'd put money on it
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:37 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.

There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.

Literally 5% of the population…
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If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:43 am

Nakena wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.


Weren't it for the mainstream parties ignoring this matter, Identitarians and nazis would have no chance. Their actual ideology and antics are widely unpopular.

That comes as no surprise. I mean, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the populace doesn't want to start Holocaust 2.0 or anything like that. Even with immigration issues, I doubt any Nazi parties will gain power. Golden Dawn is a Neo-Nazi group that was a rising star in Greek politics for example, but now the trend is reversing. The 2019 election just resulted in all of their seats being lost in the Greek legislature.
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:45 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Weren't it for the mainstream parties ignoring this matter, Identitarians and nazis would have no chance. Their actual ideology and antics are widely unpopular.

That comes as no surprise. I mean, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the populace doesn't want to start Holocaust 2.0 or anything like that. Even with immigration issues, I doubt any Nazi parties will gain power. Golden Dawn is a Neo-Nazi group that was a rising star in Greek politics for example, but now the trend is reversing. The 2019 election just resulted in all of their seats being lost in the Greek legislature.

And yet the rightists crow about how popular they're getting. I wonder how much of it is just blind vanity, the desire to say that they're more popular. More influential.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:45 am

Kowani wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.

Literally 5% of the population…

I doubt the only people tired of immigration in Europe is 5% of the populace.
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
Not to be confused with Novus America! We are NOT the same player.

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:47 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:Literally 5% of the population…

I doubt the only people tired of immigration in Europe is 5% of the populace.

No. I mean immigrants constitute 5% of the German population (according to Wikipedia), and yet everyone’s shitting their pants.
Spanish Atheist.
If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Founded: Mar 10, 2018
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:48 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:That comes as no surprise. I mean, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the populace doesn't want to start Holocaust 2.0 or anything like that. Even with immigration issues, I doubt any Nazi parties will gain power. Golden Dawn is a Neo-Nazi group that was a rising star in Greek politics for example, but now the trend is reversing. The 2019 election just resulted in all of their seats being lost in the Greek legislature.

And yet the rightists crow about how popular they're getting. I wonder how much of it is just blind vanity, the desire to say that they're more popular. More influential.

Please note that "rightist" is a vague term. We're not all Nazis or do we all come even close to Nazi doctrine.
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
Not to be confused with Novus America! We are NOT the same player.

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