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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:50 am

Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If he lacked a cooperative Senate, which he almost certainly would, then he really wouldn't be due to sheer gridlock and an inability to pass anything.

Though tbh I don't think that would entirely be a bad thing. Much as Trump's presidency helped kill the alt-right maybe an equally ineffective Sanders presidency could kneecap the left.


It might slow them down however I am pretty sure of the far-right we may only have experienced their primary form and first wave. With the seeds planted already and starting to bear their evil fruits.


Evil fruits? We'll have no alt-Pride here!
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:57 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It might slow them down however I am pretty sure of the far-right we may only have experienced their primary form and first wave. With the seeds planted already and starting to bear their evil fruits.


Evil fruits? We'll have no alt-Pride here!


Their tendrils are growing and spreading underground as we speak. The alt-right of 2015-17 may merely have been the first wave of future things, unseen yet to come. The entire rise of extremist terrorism is the proof thereof.
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New yugoslavaia
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:18 am

Nakena wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Evil fruits? We'll have no alt-Pride here!


Their tendrils are growing and spreading underground as we speak. The alt-right of 2015-17 may merely have been the first wave of future things, unseen yet to come. The entire rise of extremist terrorism is the proof thereof.


"But muh ethknowsate!"
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:20 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Their tendrils are growing and spreading underground as we speak. The alt-right of 2015-17 may merely have been the first wave of future things, unseen yet to come. The entire rise of extremist terrorism is the proof thereof.


"But muh ethknowsate!"


Yes, yes I see you know it too.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Founded: Mar 10, 2018
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:13 am

Kowani wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:“Supports: Liberty, Capitalism, Libertarianism, Low Taxes, Free Speech, Civic Nationalism, Representative Republics, Secularism, Atheism, Gun Rights”

God, do I feel stupid right now... :oops:

Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:16 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:God, do I feel stupid right now... :oops:

Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.


It's not a shitpost if it's true though.
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Julian the Apostate wrote:I feel awe of the gods, I love, I revere, I venerate them, and in short have precisely the same feelings towards them as one would have towards kind masters or teachers or fathers or guardians or any beings of that sort.

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Ostroeuropa
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Founded: Jun 14, 2006
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:18 am

The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:19 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.


It's not a shitpost if it's true though.

What makes you think my post about banning tankies is something I truly believe in?
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:21 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.


It's not a shitpost if it's true though.


Sometimes its hard to tell those days. But lets be honest, that makes it all the merrier.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.


The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.
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Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 12:28 wrote:To those who ask 'Where then have you seen the gods? What conviction of their existence leads you to this worship of them?', I reply first that they are in fact visible to our eyes. Secondly, and not withstanding, that I have not seen my soul either, and yet I honor it. So it is with the gods too: from my every experience of their power time after time I am certain that they exist, and I revere them.
Julian the Apostate wrote:I feel awe of the gods, I love, I revere, I venerate them, and in short have precisely the same feelings towards them as one would have towards kind masters or teachers or fathers or guardians or any beings of that sort.

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Kowani
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Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.

Yeah, it was quite obvious that we were talking about the US.
read your own damn sources
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:24 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.

I'm sure that is because of immigration.
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Nakena
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Founded: May 06, 2017
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:25 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.


The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.


And nothing of value got lost. I have most of them as pretty cringy in memory. Which being said whoever is left now or still around of it is probably a true believer.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:25 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.


The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.

Good riddance. They were a faction of right-wing politics where the term "deplorable" fit.
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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:27 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.

I'm sure that is because of immigration.

Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:28 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.

Good riddance. They were a faction of right-wing politics where the term "deplorable" fit.


Comitted ones? Yes absolutly.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:31 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm sure that is because of immigration.

Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.

There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:35 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.

There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.


Weren't it for the mainstream parties ignoring this matter, Identitarians and nazis would have no chance. Their actual ideology and antics are widely unpopular.
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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:35 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.

There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.

A war will be fought over this at some point, I'd put money on it
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:37 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Normally I'd say there's more to it than that, but considering how simplistic their motivations are, you're probably right.

There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.

Literally 5% of the population…
read your own damn sources
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:43 am

Nakena wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.


Weren't it for the mainstream parties ignoring this matter, Identitarians and nazis would have no chance. Their actual ideology and antics are widely unpopular.

That comes as no surprise. I mean, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the populace doesn't want to start Holocaust 2.0 or anything like that. Even with immigration issues, I doubt any Nazi parties will gain power. Golden Dawn is a Neo-Nazi group that was a rising star in Greek politics for example, but now the trend is reversing. The 2019 election just resulted in all of their seats being lost in the Greek legislature.
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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:45 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Weren't it for the mainstream parties ignoring this matter, Identitarians and nazis would have no chance. Their actual ideology and antics are widely unpopular.

That comes as no surprise. I mean, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the populace doesn't want to start Holocaust 2.0 or anything like that. Even with immigration issues, I doubt any Nazi parties will gain power. Golden Dawn is a Neo-Nazi group that was a rising star in Greek politics for example, but now the trend is reversing. The 2019 election just resulted in all of their seats being lost in the Greek legislature.

And yet the rightists crow about how popular they're getting. I wonder how much of it is just blind vanity, the desire to say that they're more popular. More influential.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Founded: Mar 10, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:45 am

Kowani wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:There is a large section of the populace that is tired of immigration, and when mainstream parties smugly ignore the sentiment, the Nazis have plenty of potential recruits whom they can manipulate into joining into their movement.

Literally 5% of the population…

I doubt the only people tired of immigration in Europe is 5% of the populace.
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Kowani
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Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:47 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:Literally 5% of the population…

I doubt the only people tired of immigration in Europe is 5% of the populace.

No. I mean immigrants constitute 5% of the German population (according to Wikipedia), and yet everyone’s shitting their pants.
read your own damn sources
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Ex-Nation

Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:48 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:That comes as no surprise. I mean, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the populace doesn't want to start Holocaust 2.0 or anything like that. Even with immigration issues, I doubt any Nazi parties will gain power. Golden Dawn is a Neo-Nazi group that was a rising star in Greek politics for example, but now the trend is reversing. The 2019 election just resulted in all of their seats being lost in the Greek legislature.

And yet the rightists crow about how popular they're getting. I wonder how much of it is just blind vanity, the desire to say that they're more popular. More influential.

Please note that "rightist" is a vague term. We're not all Nazis or do we all come even close to Nazi doctrine.
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