I did. We don't have anything near the technology to terraform Venus. Once you remove the sulfuric acid clouds, you'd have to deal with radically increased solar radiation.
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by Farnhamia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:50 am
by USS Monitor » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:50 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
If we build colonies, more people will be able to enjoy the natural beauty.
If I recall correctly, they also thought the planet will just be a play thing for the rich. I unfortunately cannot find the article to confirm or link here, as my search engine keywords are not bringing it up. It's been months since I've read it.
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by The Hindustani State » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:52 am
Farnhamia wrote:Valrifell wrote:
There are parts of the Venusian atmosphere with a pressure comparable to one atm, meaning the only thing we have to worry about is the hot and the lack of air.
I never heard that, source, please?
And anyway, the famous clouds are made of sulfuric acid. Prime development space!
by Neko-koku » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:53 am
The Hindustani State wrote:Farnhamia wrote:I never heard that, source, please?
And anyway, the famous clouds are made of sulfuric acid. Prime development space!
A structure as tall as the Empire State Building will penetrate the cloud layer and at that height, you could theoretically walk out with nothing but an oxygen mask and maybe a cooling device depending on the weather, air pressure and all are good
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by The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:54 am
by The Hindustani State » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:55 am
USS Monitor wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If I recall correctly, they also thought the planet will just be a play thing for the rich. I unfortunately cannot find the article to confirm or link here, as my search engine keywords are not bringing it up. It's been months since I've read it.
If so, then we don't have to waste as much space for gated communities and golf courses here on Earth.
I'm not so convinced, though. Being one of the first colonists would not be an easy comfortable life. When Europeans were building colonies elsewhere on Earth, it wasn't all the rich going to play God. There were also a lot of poorer people that were willing to put up with the hardships of moving somewhere new for a chance at getting out of poverty, and I think some of that dynamic would still exist.
by USS Monitor » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:55 am
Farnhamia wrote:Valrifell wrote:
There are parts of the Venusian atmosphere with a pressure comparable to one atm, meaning the only thing we have to worry about is the hot and the lack of air.
I never heard that, source, please?
And anyway, the famous clouds are made of sulfuric acid. Prime development space!
by Farnhamia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:57 am
USS Monitor wrote:Farnhamia wrote:I never heard that, source, please?
And anyway, the famous clouds are made of sulfuric acid. Prime development space!
If the surface pressure is higher than 1 atm, then there will be some altitude where the pressure is 1 atm. It may be too high above the surface for it to be any use, but as you go from 91 atm at the surface to 0 in space, at some point you have to pass 1.
Same principle as going up in the highest mountains on Earth, and the air pressure is less than at sea level.
by Dooom35796821595 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:04 am
Farnhamia wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
If the surface pressure is higher than 1 atm, then there will be some altitude where the pressure is 1 atm. It may be too high above the surface for it to be any use, but as you go from 91 atm at the surface to 0 in space, at some point you have to pass 1.
Same principle as going up in the highest mountains on Earth, and the air pressure is less than at sea level.
Right, so up high, in the clouds. Remember the Dissolving Nazi in Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Anyway, my point was, Venus is not a better bet for colonization than Mars. So there.
by Farnhamia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:11 am
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Right, so up high, in the clouds. Remember the Dissolving Nazi in Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Anyway, my point was, Venus is not a better bet for colonization than Mars. So there.
I think Jupiter is a better bet, since I think you can build space stations at a an orbit that will get earth level gravity while allowing easyish access to all the metallic hydrogen.
And Mercury is a good planet to break apart for a grid of solar panels orbiting the sun, supplying us with lots of power.
Of course, this is all long term investments, things humanity haven’t proven very adept at.
by The Emerald Legion » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:11 am
by Farnhamia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:12 am
by Novus America » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:16 am
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Right, so up high, in the clouds. Remember the Dissolving Nazi in Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Anyway, my point was, Venus is not a better bet for colonization than Mars. So there.
I think Jupiter is a better bet, since I think you can build space stations at a an orbit that will get earth level gravity while allowing easyish access to all the metallic hydrogen.
And Mercury is a good planet to break apart for a grid of solar panels orbiting the sun, supplying us with lots of power.
Of course, this is all long term investments, things humanity haven’t proven very adept at.
by The Emerald Legion » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:17 am
by Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:25 am
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:28 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Kaltovar » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:32 am
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:41 am
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:41 am
by Tornado Queendom » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:44 am
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:46 am
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Right, so up high, in the clouds. Remember the Dissolving Nazi in Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Anyway, my point was, Venus is not a better bet for colonization than Mars. So there.
I think Jupiter is a better bet, since I think you can build space stations at a an orbit that will get earth level gravity while allowing easyish access to all the metallic hydrogen.
And Mercury is a good planet to break apart for a grid of solar panels orbiting the sun, supplying us with lots of power.
Of course, this is all long term investments, things humanity haven’t proven very adept at.
by Dooom35796821595 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:43 pm
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Dooom35796821595 wrote:
I think Jupiter is a better bet, since I think you can build space stations at a an orbit that will get earth level gravity while allowing easyish access to all the metallic hydrogen.
And Mercury is a good planet to break apart for a grid of solar panels orbiting the sun, supplying us with lots of power.
Of course, this is all long term investments, things humanity haven’t proven very adept at.
Any orbital craft can simulate earth level gravity by acceleration (centrifuges). To get it without that around Jupiter would require an orbital velocity not great enough to avoid going into Jupiter, so you would need another way of staying up.
by The Hindustani State » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:27 am
Novus America wrote:Dooom35796821595 wrote:
I think Jupiter is a better bet, since I think you can build space stations at a an orbit that will get earth level gravity while allowing easyish access to all the metallic hydrogen.
And Mercury is a good planet to break apart for a grid of solar panels orbiting the sun, supplying us with lots of power.
Of course, this is all long term investments, things humanity haven’t proven very adept at.
Which is why we need to be open mindset and pragmatic. And look long term.
We need to establish space station colonies for the Terran Moon, Mars, Venus and Jupiter, which we can do.
Then from there go to ground, and sky (floating atmospheric) colonies, obviously initially protected and enclosed, then look at terraforming.
And slowly begin it (it could take thousands of years but got to start somewhere).
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