by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:48 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Surkiea » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:57 pm
by Communist Crimean Republic » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:00 pm
by Vivolkha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:00 pm
by Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:02 pm
by Vivolkha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:07 pm
Vivolkha wrote:Yeah, sure, throw sanctions to the biggest economy in the world because it would not be total economic suicide.
Sanctions will not work with Beijing.
by Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:09 pm
Surkiea wrote:The US should spend more, our enemies are stronger than ever and we need to display our military might that we're still a superpower.
by Genivaria » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:11 pm
by Scomagia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:28 pm
by Scomagia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:32 pm
Genivaria wrote:The US would benefit from bringing back the draft and integrating it into the civilian education system.
Our All Volunteer Force is becoming very expensive to maintain, a conscripted force would be much cheaper.
There's also the fact that with the number of technical jobs that are now in high demand both in the military and in the private sector having a large number of conscripts able to go through a military to private sector training pipeline would greatly help our economy.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:36 pm
Surkiea wrote:The US should spend more, our enemies are stronger than ever and we need to display our military might that we're still a superpower.
by Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:36 pm
Scomagia wrote:Genivaria wrote:The US would benefit from bringing back the draft and integrating it into the civilian education system.
Our All Volunteer Force is becoming very expensive to maintain, a conscripted force would be much cheaper.
There's also the fact that with the number of technical jobs that are now in high demand both in the military and in the private sector having a large number of conscripts able to go through a military to private sector training pipeline would greatly help our economy.
Conscripts are arguably more expensive than volunteers. For one thing, volunteers likely have more experience with firearms which makes training to proficiency take less time. Volunteers also want to be in the military, obviously, so time and resources spent on molding them into soldiers is reduced. It's a big hassle to take someone who hasn't held a gun, is physically incompetent (most Americans), and doesn't want to be a soldier and turn them into an efficient soldier.
by Libertarians » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:48 pm
by Kaztropol » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:49 pm
Genivaria wrote:The US would benefit from bringing back the draft and integrating it into the civilian education system.
Our All Volunteer Force is becoming very expensive to maintain, a conscripted force would be much cheaper.
There's also the fact that with the number of technical jobs that are now in high demand both in the military and in the private sector having a large number of conscripts able to go through a military to private sector training pipeline would greatly help our economy.
by Chestaan » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:57 pm
by Genivaria » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:13 pm
Kaztropol wrote:Genivaria wrote:The US would benefit from bringing back the draft and integrating it into the civilian education system.
Our All Volunteer Force is becoming very expensive to maintain, a conscripted force would be much cheaper.
There's also the fact that with the number of technical jobs that are now in high demand both in the military and in the private sector having a large number of conscripts able to go through a military to private sector training pipeline would greatly help our economy.
A study recently, in 2017 or so, found that of America's 17-24yr olds, some 71% of them would be unfit for any military service, due to lack of education, medical issues, criminal records etc. And of the 29% that would be fit for service, only 17% would qualify for active duty. And only 13% would achieve a satisfactory score on the Armed Forces Qualification Test.
One in 8. more or less.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:20 pm
Genivaria wrote:Kaztropol wrote:
A study recently, in 2017 or so, found that of America's 17-24yr olds, some 71% of them would be unfit for any military service, due to lack of education, medical issues, criminal records etc. And of the 29% that would be fit for service, only 17% would qualify for active duty. And only 13% would achieve a satisfactory score on the Armed Forces Qualification Test.
One in 8. more or less.
Oh that I'm very much aware of and have posted about before, if anything I agree that our nations obesity epidemic constitutes a national security crisis.
I think we need to completely revitalize our schools PE programs.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Genivaria » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:34 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Genivaria wrote:Oh that I'm very much aware of and have posted about before, if anything I agree that our nations obesity epidemic constitutes a national security crisis.
I think we need to completely revitalize our schools PE programs.
Before the draft, or after?
Anyway, I'd rather a "if you're so in favour of this war you serve in it" approach than a draft. It's bad enough governments can impose unjustified wars on people who signed up for a different war. If they can impose unjustified wars on everyone else, they've less incentive to resort to war more sparingly.
by Thermodolia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:22 pm
Scomagia wrote:Genivaria wrote:The US would benefit from bringing back the draft and integrating it into the civilian education system.
Our All Volunteer Force is becoming very expensive to maintain, a conscripted force would be much cheaper.
There's also the fact that with the number of technical jobs that are now in high demand both in the military and in the private sector having a large number of conscripts able to go through a military to private sector training pipeline would greatly help our economy.
Conscripts are arguably more expensive than volunteers. For one thing, volunteers likely have more experience with firearms which makes training to proficiency take less time. Volunteers also want to be in the military, obviously, so time and resources spent on molding them into soldiers is reduced. It's a big hassle to take someone who hasn't held a gun, is physically incompetent (most Americans), and doesn't want to be a soldier and turn them into an efficient soldier.
by Electic » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:28 pm
by Noshirtbigpants » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:30 pm
Surkiea wrote:The US should spend more, our enemies are stronger than ever and we need to display our military might that we're still a superpower.
by Noshirtbigpants » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:31 pm
Electic wrote:I don't think conscription is the answer. The current selective service does the job of allocating people in the case of an imminent and absolute danger to the state. I think having our allies take a little bit more of the burden would assist and allow us to scale down our military to something more manageable. The issue is thinking that the U.S. needs to do all the heavy lifting, all the time, is unrealistic and has done us no favors to our post-Cold War reputation.
by Blanjiland » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:40 pm
Genivaria wrote:The US would benefit from bringing back the draft and integrating it into the civilian education system.
Our All Volunteer Force is becoming very expensive to maintain, a conscripted force would be much cheaper.
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