Pregnant drunks avoid prenatal care; Vox blames society

[His Excellence]

Oh, you're going to do wonderfully here.

It's okay man, I know that it can be difficult to accept when you need help, but being condescending on the internet doesn't solve anything.

[Nova Cyberia]

Oh, you're going to do wonderfully here.

It's okay man, I know that it can be difficult to accept when you need help, but being condescending on the internet doesn't solve anything.

No, I mean you really don't understand this site's rules at all. But that's not really my problem.

Also, your mockery of mental illness only serves to prove how bigoted you are.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

This should be a civil law matter, ffs.

[His Excellence]

Also, your mockery of mental illness only serves to prove how bigoted you are.

I'm not trying to mock you or any condition you may have, I just want you to know that reality isn't always what you think it is, but it's not your fault and you aren't alone.

[Agarntrop]

It's okay man, I know that it can be difficult to accept when you need help, but being condescending on the internet doesn't solve anything.

No, I mean you really don't understand this site's rules at all. But that's not really my problem.

Also, your mockery of mental illness only serves to prove how bigoted you are.

Funny how a supposed anti-SJW has an extremely SJWish response. Seems conservatives can also get triggered. How suprising (not).

[Nova Cyberia]

Also, your mockery of mental illness only serves to prove how bigoted you are.

I'm not trying to mock you or any condition you may have, I just want you to know that reality isn't always what you think it is, but it's not your fault and you aren't alone.

I think my problem is that I tend to get into debates with people who aren't really knowledgable and have no idea what they're talking about.

How do I deal with that?

[Electic]

I'm not trying to mock you or any condition you may have, I just want you to know that reality isn't always what you think it is, but it's not your fault and you aren't alone.

I think my problem is that I tend to get into debates with people who aren't really knowledgable and have no idea what they're talking about.

How do I deal with that?

Both people walking away can help. Stating that you are at an impasse and never interacting with that person again on that subject is also helpful.

[His Excellence]

I think my problem is that I tend to get into debates with people who aren't really knowledgable and have no idea what they're talking about.

How do I deal with that?

Recognizing that most people aren't political strawmen and not acting like a know it all are good places to start.

[Cekoviu]

If that's the case, then the endgame of the pro-life crowd is a quantity over quality approach to life, where having countless miserable people is more noble than having a population our resources can support.

Hyperbole's a hell of a drug.

This is funny to me just because the people who say we need to have less kids are usually the same people who demand we let in immigrants who statistically have more children than the average citizen.

It's not like not letting them immigrate is going to change that...

[Nova Cyberia]

I think my problem is that I tend to get into debates with people who aren't really knowledgable and have no idea what they're talking about.

How do I deal with that?

Recognizing that most people aren't political strawmen and not acting like a know it all are good places to start.

Yeah, but that doesn't really help when it's someone who has such weak snark and is bigoted against those with mental illness.

[Novus America]

Society is partially to blame. One really good example I can think of is why can't we make our schools teach teenagers about this stuff? Oh wait, we're too busy appropriating half the national budget on "defense" to fund education correctly. We barely have enough money going to public schools to cover common core studies, damn it all.

Another example, what about parental responsibility? Oh wait, parents are too busy staring at their smartphones to care about teaching their children anything.

Society and the families fail to instill good senses in these people, and some blame needs to fall on those shoulders appropriately when these people drink while pregnant.

Wrong.
The US spends plenty on education. The problem is not the amount of spending, it is that it is not necessarily spent well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... outh-korea

We spend more on education than defense.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governm ... akdown.png
Defense is actually only 12% of the budget. Education is 15%.

[Farnhamia]

If you're going to drink while pregnant, then you may as well go all the way and kill your baby.
Both should be banned, but it's either ban both or allow both.

Being okay with legalized abortion and being okay with enabling avoidable birth defects are two very different playing fields.

This is funny to me just because the people who say we need to have less kids are usually the same people who demand we let in immigrants who statistically have more children than the average citizen.

A severely diametric view of reality can be a flag for mental illness. Please get checked out by a professional and/or spend less time on the internet, it'll do you both some good, I promise.

Don't speculate about another poster's mental health here, or offer suggestions about seeing professionals. It's not done and were you not new to these parts, I'd warn you for it.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

The question is if it's enough negligence to warrant legal punishment. If it does for women, it would for men - assuming the same level of knowledge.

But bringing the fetus to term wasn't his decision to make in the first place. If a woman found out his man had been drinking, or had a genetic defect he failed to tell her about, she could always abort the fetus and have sex with someone genetically better.

I mean, we'd have to be wrong about the great majority of human psychology (not to mention a fairly substantial part of biology) for this not to be true.

No shit. What does psychology rely on? Surveys. What happens to surveys? They get lied to. Ask people who were in the USA in 2016.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

This is funny to me just because the people who say we need to have less kids are usually the same people who demand we let in immigrants who statistically have more children than the average citizen.

It's not like not letting them immigrate is going to change that...

To be fair, letting them immigrate might enable them to have a higher carbon footprint than they had in their home country. Maybe not as high per people as the average citizen, but that could also be outweighed by the fact that they're having more people, therefore more net pollution.

I still think "making limits on how many kids they can have a condition of their entry into the country" might be a compromise worth considering.

[Kowani]

Society is partially to blame. One really good example I can think of is why can't we make our schools teach teenagers about this stuff? Oh wait, we're too busy appropriating half the national budget on "defense" to fund education correctly. We barely have enough money going to public schools to cover common core studies, damn it all.

Another example, what about parental responsibility? Oh wait, parents are too busy staring at their smartphones to care about teaching their children anything.

Society and the families fail to instill good senses in these people, and some blame needs to fall on those shoulders appropriately when these people drink while pregnant.

Wrong.
The US spends plenty on education. The problem is not the amount of spending, it is that it is not necessarily spent well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... outh-korea

We spend more on education than defense.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governm ... akdown.png
Defense is actually only 12% of the budget. Education is 15%.

Sure, but you shouldn’t look at defense spending relative to GDP. You should look at it relative to your threats (and while I’m not about to claim the Education system is wasteful, the Pentagon isn’t exactly a budget hawk.)

[Novus America]

Wrong.
The US spends plenty on education. The problem is not the amount of spending, it is that it is not necessarily spent well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... outh-korea

We spend more on education than defense.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governm ... akdown.png
Defense is actually only 12% of the budget. Education is 15%.

Sure, but you shouldn’t look at defense spending relative to GDP. You should look at it relative to your threats (and while I’m not about to claim the Education system is wasteful, the Pentagon isn’t exactly a budget hawk.)

You have to account for the fact the threats pay their soldiers 1/10th as much.
Meaning we have to spend far more than them. Our labor costs are 10 times higher.

Sure both the education system and the pentagon are wasteful.

But regardless the whole “we spend so much on defense we cannot afford education and healthcare” is a stupid meme that needs to die. It is false.

Thoth this is getting off topic, but suffice to say, lack of education spending (let alone the amount of military spending) is not the problem.

[Thepeopl]

For all men who care: do not wear tight pants, it will harm your sperm.
Also do not ride a bike.
No smoking, drinking or drugs.
No hot baths/ showers, your testes need to be 35 degrees Celsius.

In future, all men who father children with have birth defects due to your risky behaviour, will be put in jail.

[Nea Byzantia]

Sure, but you shouldn’t look at defense spending relative to GDP. You should look at it relative to your threats (and while I’m not about to claim the Education system is wasteful, the Pentagon isn’t exactly a budget hawk.)

You have to account for the fact the threats pay their soldiers 1/10th as much.
Meaning we have to spend far more than them. Our labor costs are 10 times higher.

Sure both the education system and the pentagon are wasteful.

But regardless the whole “we spend so much on defense we cannot afford education and healthcare” is a stupid meme that needs to die. It is false.

Thoth this is getting off topic, but suffice to say, lack of education spending (let alone the amount of military spending) is not the problem.

Government Spending is not the Problem. Nor is it the solution.

[Bear Stearns]

It boggles my mind that Vox receives millions in funding from Disney, Comcast, and very wealthy establishment libs, given how trash it is.

[Nea Byzantia]

It boggles my mind that Vox receives millions in funding from Disney, Comcast, and very wealthy establishment libs, given how trash it is.

That's why its trash. Its shilling for the Establishment.

[Kowani]

You have to account for the fact the threats pay their soldiers 1/10th as much.
Meaning we have to spend far more than them. Our labor costs are 10 times higher.

Sure both the education system and the pentagon are wasteful.

But regardless the whole “we spend so much on defense we cannot afford education and healthcare” is a stupid meme that needs to die. It is false.

Thoth this is getting off topic, but suffice to say, lack of education spending (let alone the amount of military spending) is not the problem.

Government Spending is not the Problem. Nor is it the solution.

I swear, if this is a “Free Market” diatribe…

[Bear Stearns]

It boggles my mind that Vox receives millions in funding from Disney, Comcast, and very wealthy establishment libs, given how trash it is.

That's why its trash. Its shilling for the Establishment.

Ezra Klein has a punchable face and Carlos Maza is just...disturbing.

[Nea Byzantia]

Government Spending is not the Problem. Nor is it the solution.

I swear, if this is a “Free Market” diatribe…

It isn't. I'm not a Libertarian. I blame this problem on moral laxity and think such negligence is criminal and should be punished. I also think abortion is child-murder. Believe me, I'm not a lib.

[Nea Byzantia]

That's why its trash. Its shilling for the Establishment.

Ezra Klein has a punchable face and Carlos Maza is just...disturbing.

They're the Establishment's Vox.

[Bear Stearns]

Ezra Klein has a punchable face and Carlos Maza is just...disturbing.

They're the Establishment's Vox.

On that note, the toxicity and awfulness (dare I say evilness) of the US establishment is what pushed me away from the laissez-faire beliefs I used to hold. These people need to be reigned in.