Who was worse?

[Estanglia]

So then stop denying Hitler's role in orchestrating it all.

You can not erase from history the horrible murderers that started all of this (Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler) I do not know why are you trying to hide them from beeing blamed by focusing only in Adolf, who was not the engineer of the Holocaust, but instead a part of it which was controlled by them.

Goering and Himmler were absolutely evil, but Hitler, whether by assisting them, turning a blind eye to them, condoning them or enabling them, was complicit in their actions, and thus is evil too.

And no amount of special jew-hating cocaine changes that.

[Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel]

You can not erase from history the horrible murderers that started all of this (Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler) I do not know why are you trying to hide them from beeing blamed by focusing only in Adolf, who was not the engineer of the Holocaust, but instead a part of it which was controlled by them.

Hitler directly orchestrated it, and those two carried out the orders. It's that damn simple.

Exactly, even if he didn't order it he still allowed it to happen so their is no point for someone to defend it.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It’s funny because Hitler was the one that was leading the Third Reich and people like Goering, Himmler, and Goebbels were his inferiors.

I do not see any fun in the way they controlled the Fuhrer to make him the responsible of the Holocaust that he did not start. They even tried to fake a jewish terrorist attack on Adolf to kill him and start new policyes harder with the jews...

I highly doubt wholly reject the notion that Hitler wanted none of the atrocities committed under him, considering he expressed very loudly that he wanted them to happen without needing anybody else to speak for him.

[Marquisal]

Not, entirely, it was mostly Goering's fault as he tried to make the Adolf follow him in his delurical dreams.

" I have issued the command – and I'll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad – that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness – for the present only in the East – with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. "
-Adolf Hitler

Under drug effects.
Now let's qote Goering or Himmler, ah I think that you would not want it because that would prove that they were the ones in charge of the Holocaust, and not the Adolf.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

" I have issued the command – and I'll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad – that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness – for the present only in the East – with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. "
-Adolf Hitler

Under drug effects.
Now let's qote Goering or Himmler, ah I think that you would not want it because that would prove that they were the ones in charge of the Holocaust, and not the Adolf.

The influence of drugs is no excuse, nor is it relevant.

If I get high on cocaine and shoot up a mosque, it's still 100% on me.

[Estanglia]

" I have issued the command – and I'll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad – that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness – for the present only in the East – with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. "
-Adolf Hitler

Under drug effects.

That cocaine must be pretty strong to cause a hatred of the Untermensch.

[Marquisal]

Hitler directly orchestrated it, and those two carried out the orders. It's that damn simple.

Exactly, even if he didn't order it he still allowed it to happen so their is no point for someone to defend it.

I am not defending him, I'm just blaming the ones who started the Holocaust and then tried to hide their names from the horrors of history by making Adolf be seemed as the responsible of all of that.
I am just trying to make justice by blaming Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, the true murderers.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Exactly, even if he didn't order it he still allowed it to happen so their is no point for someone to defend it.

I am not defending him,

Yes you are.

[Torrocca]

Under drug effects.

That cocaine must be pretty strong to cause a hatred of the Untermensch.

"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

[Marquisal]

Under drug effects.
Now let's qote Goering or Himmler, ah I think that you would not want it because that would prove that they were the ones in charge of the Holocaust, and not the Adolf.

The influence of drugs is no excuse, nor is it relevant.

If I get high on cocaine and shoot up a mosque, it's still 100% on me.

It was a complot against him, that is relevant. As well as Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler were truly relevant in the Holocaust, not as Adolf.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The influence of drugs is no excuse, nor is it relevant.

If I get high on cocaine and shoot up a mosque, it's still 100% on me.

It was a complot against him, that is relevant.

A what against him?

As well as Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler were truly relevant in the Holocaust, not as Adolf.

The guy who wrote a book on how Germany should remove undesirables and began enacting his plans when in power is most definitely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most relevant person to the Holocaust.

[Marquisal]

It was a complot against him, that is relevant.

A what against him?

As well as Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler were truly relevant in the Holocaust, not as Adolf.

The guy who wrote a book on how Germany should remove undesirables and began enacting his plans when in power is most definitely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most relevant person to the Holocaust.

A plot. Sorry my english is not perfect.


Also, if the Adolf was the one who wanted to murder all jews, why his jewish friends lived well in Nazi Germany? And why did he trust his personal doctor, who was also a jew?

[Cekoviu]

A what against him?

The guy who wrote a book on how Germany should remove undesirables and began enacting his plans when in power is most definitely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most relevant person to the Holocaust.

A plot. Sorry my english is not perfect.


Also, if the Adolf was the one who wanted to murder all jews, why his jewish friends lived well in Nazi Germany? And why did he trust his personal doctor, who was also a jew?

This is a pretty easy one.
He was a hypocritical asshole and just thought "well, those are the good ones." Same reason you get some American neo-Confederate level racists who have black friends.

[Drunkerland]

Great, we have people defending Hitler and people defending Mao. Whats next people defending Ted Bundy?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hitler wasn't evil. At least he did good things for Germany, and was good to ethnic Germans and aryans.

Take up classes in a summer school please.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Great, we have people defending Hitler and people defending Mao. Whats next people defending Ted Bundy?

Well this is Nationstates so give it time.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

A what against him?

The guy who wrote a book on how Germany should remove undesirables and began enacting his plans when in power is most definitely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most relevant person to the Holocaust.

A plot. Sorry my english is not perfect.

You're trying to tell me that the Holocaust was a conspiracy concocted by every other member of the Nazi Party to drug Hitler up, get him to write Mein Kampf, and kill people of multiple ethnicities, religions, sexualities, and physical disabilities all under his nose.

Occam's razor says this is bullshit and reality agrees.

Also, if the Adolf was the one who wanted to murder all jews, why his jewish friends lived well in Nazi Germany? And why did he trust his personal doctor, who was also a jew?

Nazis are not well known for strong ideological foundation or consistency.
Also, his by "personal doctor" I assume you're referring to Eduard Bloch.

[Marquisal]

Hitler wasn't evil. At least he did good things for Germany, and was good to ethnic Germans and aryans.

Take up classes in a summer school please.

Thanks to the Adolf we have Fanta, laws against living animal experiments, natural areas led to endangered species, scientiffic advances, free healthcare systems, pension systems, some gender equality laws, and the protection of culture.
Yes, he permited some bad things to happen, but he was also the responsible of some lovely things

[Kowani]

Take up classes in a summer school please.

Thanks to the Adolf we have Fanta, laws against living animal experiments, natural areas led to endangered species, scientiffic advances, free healthcare systems, pension systems, some gender equality laws, and the protection of culture.
Yes, he permited some bad things to happen, but he was also the responsible of some lovely things

Some of this is just plain bullshit, “Fanta” is not a benefit of Nazi Fucking Germany, and some of it is top tier apologia.

[Marquisal]

A plot. Sorry my english is not perfect.

You're trying to tell me that the Holocaust was a conspiracy concocted by every other member of the Nazi Party to drug Hitler up, get him to write Mein Kampf, and kill people of multiple ethnicities, religions, sexualities, and physical disabilities all under his nose.

Occam's razor says this is bullshit and reality agrees.

Also, if the Adolf was the one who wanted to murder all jews, why his jewish friends lived well in Nazi Germany? And why did he trust his personal doctor, who was also a jew?

Nazis are not well known for strong ideological foundation or consistency.
Also, his by "personal doctor" I assume you're referring to Eduard Bloch.

The plot was after all a fight to gain power. Herr Goebbels was a Hitler dissent at firsts, then he tried to persuade him of many things (Like the Holocaust) and he achieved some of his goals, but the Adolf did not want some other of his goals to happen, as well as the goals of other high party members, so they started the plot to wash their names from the history of holocaust, and instead make Uncle Adolf the responsible of all.

[Estanglia]

That cocaine must be pretty strong to cause a hatred of the Untermensch.

"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

I really wanna put this in my sig.

Also, if the Adolf was the one who wanted to murder all jews, why his jewish friends lived well in Nazi Germany? And why did he trust his personal doctor, who was also a jew?

Maybe because they were 'the good ones'. They weren't like 'the other Jews'.

[Saiwania]

What occured in Cambodia under Pol Pot was just crazy.

I can't find much Cambodians at the time could do, other than to flee. It should primarily be the neighboring countries' problem though, not the developed countries when or if events such as that happen.

[Aureumterra]

inb4 those people come in and say “Trump”

You could say Hitler was the worse because he was actually actively trying to kill most of those he killed, whereas Stalin and Mao got blood on their hands due to the failures of their respective ideologies.

[Marquisal]

"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

I really wanna put this in my sig.

Also, if the Adolf was the one who wanted to murder all jews, why his jewish friends lived well in Nazi Germany? And why did he trust his personal doctor, who was also a jew?

Maybe because they were 'the good ones'. They weren't like 'the other Jews'.

But he did not met their families, while still they lived... So, who are "the other jews" for you?

[Torrocca]

"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

I really wanna put this in my sig.

Go for it.