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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

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Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan?

Yes
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No
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Unsure
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:58 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
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Debt collecting is a legit business though. Even if usually on smaller scale. ^^


Also, the biggest debtors to banks are large corporations. Is JPMorgan Chase going to show up at the headquarters of Microsoft with tanks and troops demanding repayment on its bonds?


That would be highly inapproperiate and given the potential damage make it less likely that Microsoft could repay what is due.
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Postby Ancapto » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:01 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:I just asked why Kowani was suddenly caring about freedom when he constantly advocates destroying peoples' freedoms.

I think us Christians are rather sensitive to this. I can't count the number of times atheists and anti-theists suddenly pretend caring about Jesus and his teachings to accuse Christians of not being good enough Christians.

They are just pointing out hypocrisies of the bible and how many Christians have beliefs that go against it. People get annoyed by hypocrisy and rightfully so.

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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:03 pm

Ancapto wrote:They are just pointing out hypocrisies of the bible and how many Christians have beliefs that go against it. People get annoyed by hypocrisy and rightfully so.

It's one thing to point out hypocrisy (and sometimes not even then), it's quite another to start preaching selected parts of what Jesus taught even if they'd usually spit in his eye. It's incredibly obnoxious.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:08 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:And Kowani responded with why.


Ok?

So why are you upset about bickering that isn't happening?

Just don't want bickering to start lol
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:10 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Ok?

So why are you upset about bickering that isn't happening?

Just don't want bickering to start lol

Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:12 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Ancapto wrote:They are just pointing out hypocrisies of the bible and how many Christians have beliefs that go against it. People get annoyed by hypocrisy and rightfully so.

It's one thing to point out hypocrisy (and sometimes not even then), it's quite another to start preaching selected parts of what Jesus taught even if they'd usually spit in his eye. It's incredibly obnoxious.

Hey, I’m trying to avoid doing the latter of those things.
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Jean-Paul Sartre
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:12 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Just don't want bickering to start lol

Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:16 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

This is also going in my inspirational quotes now. :p
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:18 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

Don’t forget to call the other person unreasonable, immoral or “arguing in bad faith.”
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:20 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

Don’t forget to call the other person unreasonable, immoral or “arguing in bad faith.”

I did the latter once.

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:21 pm

Personally, though I can get heated myself at times, most of the time, I just try to be level headed even towards people who are heated as that's the only effective way to keep an argument under control other than leaving lol
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:21 pm

Did anyone here recently put me on their foe list?

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:22 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Did anyone here recently put me on their foe list?

Not me. I hardly know you even though I ironically have you on Discord lol

For a while i kinda mistook you for Novus.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:23 pm

Jolthig wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Did anyone here recently put me on their foe list?

Not me. I hardly know you even though I ironically have you on Discord lol

For a while i kinda mistook you for Novus.


Theres Novus and then there's LiberNovus.

Can get confusing. But both have different flags and signatures.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:23 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:Don’t forget to call the other person unreasonable, immoral or “arguing in bad faith.”

I did the latter once.

Shame. :p

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Did anyone here recently put me on their foe list?

Never use it.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:24 pm

Nakena wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Not me. I hardly know you even though I ironically have you on Discord lol

For a while i kinda mistook you for Novus.


Theres Novus and then there's LiberNovus.

Can get confusing. But both have different flags and signatures.

Also ideologies:p
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:27 pm

Jolthig wrote:Personally, though I can get heated myself at times, most of the time, I just try to be level headed even towards people who are heated as that's the only effective way to keep an argument under control other than leaving lol

I don't know why we come here to argue. People very rarely seem to change another's mind.

Jolthig wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Did anyone here recently put me on their foe list?

Not me. I hardly know you even though I ironically have you on Discord lol

For a while i kinda mistook you for Novus.

Understandable.

Nakena wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Not me. I hardly know you even though I ironically have you on Discord lol

For a while i kinda mistook you for Novus.


Theres Novus and then there's LiberNovus.

Can get confusing. But both have different flags and signatures.

That reminds me, someone in F7 thought I was the same person as First American Empire despite the fact that we have very different political views. They even put me on their foe list because I criticized antifa.
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Jean-Paul Sartre
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:27 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Personally, though I can get heated myself at times, most of the time, I just try to be level headed even towards people who are heated as that's the only effective way to keep an argument under control other than leaving lol

I don't know why we come here to argue. People very rarely seem to change another's mind.

Jolthig wrote:Not me. I hardly know you even though I ironically have you on Discord lol

For a while i kinda mistook you for Novus.

Understandable.

Nakena wrote:
Theres Novus and then there's LiberNovus.

Can get confusing. But both have different flags and signatures.

That reminds me, someone in F7 thought I was the same person as First American Empire despite the fact that we have very different political views.

Hey. I changed Geneviev’s mind once. That counts.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:28 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Personally, though I can get heated myself at times, most of the time, I just try to be level headed even towards people who are heated as that's the only effective way to keep an argument under control other than leaving lol

I don't know why we come here to argue. People very rarely seem to change another's mind.

Hey, I started out as a typical Spanish Center-Leftist. Plus, I dropped the Catalan Separatism. I’d say that’s a change.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:29 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Personally, though I can get heated myself at times, most of the time, I just try to be level headed even towards people who are heated as that's the only effective way to keep an argument under control other than leaving lol

I don't know why we come here to argue. People very rarely seem to change another's mind.

True, but we are still way better than other social media sites. Especially Twitter and Facebook because we have mods that actually enforce the rules though the opinions of people, are of course, subjective towards mod rulings, still the forum is much better than others.

Also, NSG has a huge impact on my views. So debating does benefit me in a way though I can agree many refuse to change their minds.

I simply take a realistic stance on both politics and religion
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:31 pm

Kowani wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I don't know why we come here to argue. People very rarely seem to change another's mind.

Hey, I started out as a typical Spanish Center-Leftist. Plus, I dropped the Catalan Separatism. I’d say that’s a change.

I used to be more right wing, but I moved a bit towards the center. I believe that was probably just a psychological effect from seeing some disgusting alt-right content though.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:31 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:Hey, I started out as a typical Spanish Center-Leftist. Plus, I dropped the Catalan Separatism. I’d say that’s a change.

I used to be more right wing, but I moved a bit towards the center. I believe that was probably just a psychological effect from seeing some disgusting alt-right content though.

Ahh. Yeah, that might be part of it.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:33 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:Hey, I started out as a typical Spanish Center-Leftist. Plus, I dropped the Catalan Separatism. I’d say that’s a change.

I used to be more right wing, but I moved a bit towards the center. I believe that was probably just a psychological effect from seeing some disgusting alt-right content though.

As for me...during my 9 years of being on and off of NS, I was all over the place lol

Though when I got more active on NSG last year, I was more aggressive with my preaching of Islam. Kinda on the level of our old friend, Amin. Not as bad of course but kind of on that level before calming down, researching philosophy and logical fallacies, and being more committed to the faith really changed my debating style and conduct.
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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:36 pm

Actually, your political progression is an interesting topic in its own right. Could be a whole thread, but ehh, I only care about fellow RWDTers.

I started out center-right (typical Liberal voter) but moved... centre-left-hard-right? I don't know, I became more of a social democrat and Christian distributist while solidifying my social conservative views.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:37 pm

Jolthig wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I don't know why we come here to argue. People very rarely seem to change another's mind.

True, but we are still way better than other social media sites. Especially Twitter and Facebook because we have mods that actually enforce the rules though the opinions of people, are of course, subjective towards mod rulings, still the forum is much better than others.

Also, NSG has a huge impact on my views. So debating does benefit me in a way though I can agree many refuse to change their minds.

I simply take a realistic stance on both politics and religion

For a forum, this is pretty good. The mods are a mixed bag though. Some of the mods are good, like Farnhamia. I question the impartiality of some of them though, and some can be very rude.

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