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by Imperial States America » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:09 pm
by Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:10 pm
by Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:11 pm
by Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:11 pm
by Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:12 pm
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Jolthig wrote:Yes. It is clearly the fact politicians treat Amerixa this way. Each time a mass shooting happens, no one does anything about it because the lobbyists block passages prohibiting more restrictions on guns.
Guns are not the issue though, so good for them if they do.
by Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:12 pm
by Imperial States America » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:12 pm
by Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:13 pm
by Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:14 pm
Imperial States America wrote:Jolthig wrote:Yes. It is clearly the fact politicians treat Amerixa this way. Each time a mass shooting happens, no one does anything about it because the lobbyists block passages prohibiting more restrictions on guns.
but putting more restrictions on guns has had zero effect in stopping mass shootings no extended bgc or high cap mag ban has stopped the next shooting no extended waiting period has stopped another shooting passing more laws is not the answer getting to the root problems of these incidents is the key not more laws
by Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:14 pm
by Vetalia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:14 pm
Torrocca wrote:I don't think it's a magical cure-all, which is specifically why I said in my very first post in this thread "Something needs to be done to put a stop to this shit as much as is possible." I think Socialism's the closest thing to being able to put a stop to shit like this as much as is possible, on account of how it can solve many of the systemic problems in America that directly or indirectly lead to this kind of shit.
by Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:14 pm
by Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:16 pm
Jolthig wrote:Imperial States America wrote:but putting more restrictions on guns has had zero effect in stopping mass shootings no extended bgc or high cap mag ban has stopped the next shooting no extended waiting period has stopped another shooting passing more laws is not the answer getting to the root problems of these incidents is the key not more laws
Yes. That's what I'm saying. We need to get to the root of the problem. It starts by stopping access by extremists in getting these weapons. Then, we counter their ideologies with education.
by Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:16 pm
by Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:18 pm
Vetalia wrote:Torrocca wrote:I don't think it's a magical cure-all, which is specifically why I said in my very first post in this thread "Something needs to be done to put a stop to this shit as much as is possible." I think Socialism's the closest thing to being able to put a stop to shit like this as much as is possible, on account of how it can solve many of the systemic problems in America that directly or indirectly lead to this kind of shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ted_States
But here's the thing - in years past we didn't have socialism and yet people weren't going around shooting up Wal-Marts. I mean, there were very few until the 1970s and for most of that history the country had effectively unregulated, unrestricted capitalism and no gun control. Even in the 1970s and later, this really didn't start to pick up in intensity and frequency until the mid-2000s.
by Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:19 pm
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Jolthig wrote:Yes. That's what I'm saying. We need to get to the root of the problem. It starts by stopping access by extremists in getting these weapons. Then, we counter their ideologies with education.
A: What is the root of the problem in your eyes?
B: What laws would prevent extremists from getting access to weapons without further hindering law abiding citizens?
by Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:20 pm
Vetalia wrote:Torrocca wrote:I don't think it's a magical cure-all, which is specifically why I said in my very first post in this thread "Something needs to be done to put a stop to this shit as much as is possible." I think Socialism's the closest thing to being able to put a stop to shit like this as much as is possible, on account of how it can solve many of the systemic problems in America that directly or indirectly lead to this kind of shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ted_States
But here's the thing - in years past we didn't have socialism and yet people weren't going around shooting up Wal-Marts. I mean, there were very few until the 1970s and for most of that history the country had effectively unregulated, unrestricted capitalism and no gun control. Even in the 1970s and later, this really didn't start to pick up in intensity and frequency until the mid-2000s.
by Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:20 pm
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Jolthig wrote:Yes. That's what I'm saying. We need to get to the root of the problem. It starts by stopping access by extremists in getting these weapons. Then, we counter their ideologies with education.
A: What is the root of the problem in your eyes?
B: What laws would prevent extremists from getting access to weapons without further hindering law abiding citizens?
by Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:20 pm
Jolthig wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
A: What is the root of the problem in your eyes?
B: What laws would prevent extremists from getting access to weapons without further hindering law abiding citizens?
A. Extremist rhetoric influencing those who shoot up places as is the case of Christchurch.
B. You'll have to define law-abiding citizens. Those who follow all laws except for the regulations that are passed?
by Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:21 pm
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Jolthig wrote:A. Extremist rhetoric influencing those who shoot up places as is the case of Christchurch.
B. You'll have to define law-abiding citizens. Those who follow all laws except for the regulations that are passed?
So, how is restricting firearms going to hinder extremist rhetoric?
And law abiding is pretty damned self explanatory.
by Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:22 pm
Diopolis wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
A: What is the root of the problem in your eyes?
B: What laws would prevent extremists from getting access to weapons without further hindering law abiding citizens?
As for B, I would argue that as buying more guns is not a particularly frequent occurrence for most responsible gun owners, laws that create a modest amount of inconvenience for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun could be fine if they really do work in keeping criminals and other dangerous people disarmed. Note that I said a modest amount of inconvenience, not a large amount.
Jolthig wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
So, how is restricting firearms going to hinder extremist rhetoric?
And law abiding is pretty damned self explanatory.
It's not. It will however restrict them from getting deadlier weapons like guns.
I know, but what would happen if the laws were passed hypothetically, then what?
by Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:24 pm
Vetalia wrote:Torrocca wrote:I don't think it's a magical cure-all, which is specifically why I said in my very first post in this thread "Something needs to be done to put a stop to this shit as much as is possible." I think Socialism's the closest thing to being able to put a stop to shit like this as much as is possible, on account of how it can solve many of the systemic problems in America that directly or indirectly lead to this kind of shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ted_States
But here's the thing - in years past we didn't have socialism and yet people weren't going around shooting up Wal-Marts. I mean, there were very few until the 1970s and for most of that history the country had effectively unregulated, unrestricted capitalism and no gun control. Even in the 1970s and later, this really didn't start to pick up in intensity and frequency until the mid-2000s.
by Rojava Free State » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:26 pm
Cerinda wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:I just read the manifesto. It's shorter than the others that the other shooters put out but it's the same hate and violence as always.
Ladies and gentlemen, I think a fascist rebellion has started in america, and I encourage everyone to be careful out there and avoid public places. I will from now on be avoiding any crowd larger than 10 people and I'm not going to any campaign events anymore. Also, if you see any information about the shooter, do not repost it on Facebook or twitter. Don't give him attention. It's that attention that makes the killings keep happening.
Although I do think there is an increasing threat from the far right in the US, I think you might be a little bit paranoid here.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:26 pm
by Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:27 pm
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Diopolis wrote:As for B, I would argue that as buying more guns is not a particularly frequent occurrence for most responsible gun owners, laws that create a modest amount of inconvenience for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun could be fine if they really do work in keeping criminals and other dangerous people disarmed. Note that I said a modest amount of inconvenience, not a large amount.
In my opinion, these sorts of laws already exist and are in place currently, which is why I don't see the need for even more laws to be put in place
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