20 Killed 26 injured in El Paso, Tx Walmart Shooting

[Imperial States America]

Walmart shooter identified as 21 year old Patrick Crusius who shot killed 19 and injured 40 as reported from the CBS news internet Live stream

[Jolthig]

There is no "and".

Clearly...

Yes. It is clearly the fact politicians treat Amerixa this way. Each time a mass shooting happens, no one does anything about it because the lobbyists block passages prohibiting more restrictions on guns.

[Diopolis]

IIRC, Therm is a Titoist.

Therm and Tel are different people.

Considering the discussion up until your "metric ton of salt" post was about Therm, I assumed you had a typo. My apologies.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Clearly...

Yes. It is clearly the fact politicians treat Amerixa this way. Each time a mass shooting happens, no one does anything about it because the lobbyists block passages prohibiting more restrictions on guns.

Guns are not the issue though, so good for them if "they" do.

[Jolthig]

Yes. It is clearly the fact politicians treat Amerixa this way. Each time a mass shooting happens, no one does anything about it because the lobbyists block passages prohibiting more restrictions on guns.

Guns are not the issue though, so good for them if they do.

You're right. Guns by themselves aren't the issue. However, it is extremists getting access to them that is.

[Kowani]

Completely off topic, but I almost expected you to have one of those “Und Doch” flags but Ahmadiyya.

Lol why

“Und Mirza”

[Imperial States America]

Clearly...

Yes. It is clearly the fact politicians treat Amerixa this way. Each time a mass shooting happens, no one does anything about it because the lobbyists block passages prohibiting more restrictions on guns.

but putting more restrictions on guns has had zero effect in stopping mass shootings no extended bgc or high cap mag ban has stopped the next shooting no extended waiting period has stopped another shooting passing more laws is not the answer getting to the root problems of these incidents is the key not more laws

[Diopolis]

Again, to those advocating for more gun control: name your specific policies, and I'll engage with you about them. Continue dodging the question and going "hurr durr the NRA doesn't care about murdered children", and I'll keep ignoring it.

[Jolthig]

Yes. It is clearly the fact politicians treat Amerixa this way. Each time a mass shooting happens, no one does anything about it because the lobbyists block passages prohibiting more restrictions on guns.

but putting more restrictions on guns has had zero effect in stopping mass shootings no extended bgc or high cap mag ban has stopped the next shooting no extended waiting period has stopped another shooting passing more laws is not the answer getting to the root problems of these incidents is the key not more laws

Yes. That's what I'm saying. We need to get to the root of the problem. It starts by stopping access by extremists in getting these weapons. Then, we counter their ideologies with education.

[Jolthig]

Lol why

“Und Mirza”

Hahahahaha.

Welcome to the inspirational quotes sig

[Vetalia]

I don't think it's a magical cure-all, which is specifically why I said in my very first post in this thread "Something needs to be done to put a stop to this shit as much as is possible." I think Socialism's the closest thing to being able to put a stop to shit like this as much as is possible, on account of how it can solve many of the systemic problems in America that directly or indirectly lead to this kind of shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ted_States

But here's the thing - in years past we didn't have socialism and yet people weren't going around shooting up Wal-Marts. I mean, there were very few until the 1970s and for most of that history the country had effectively unregulated, unrestricted capitalism and no gun control. Even in the 1970s and later, this really didn't start to pick up in intensity and frequency until the mid-2000s.

[Torrocca]

Therm and Tel are different people.

Considering the discussion up until your "metric ton of salt" post was about Therm, I assumed you had a typo. My apologies.

... Let the records know that I'm a fucking moron. I completely misread Kowani's post.

[Paddy O Fernature]

but putting more restrictions on guns has had zero effect in stopping mass shootings no extended bgc or high cap mag ban has stopped the next shooting no extended waiting period has stopped another shooting passing more laws is not the answer getting to the root problems of these incidents is the key not more laws

Yes. That's what I'm saying. We need to get to the root of the problem. It starts by stopping access by extremists in getting these weapons. Then, we counter their ideologies with education.

A: What is the root of the problem in your eyes?
B: What laws would prevent extremists from getting access to weapons without further hindering law abiding citizens?

[Kowani]

“Und Mirza”

Hahahahaha.

Welcome to the inspirational quotes sig

Yay!

Considering the discussion up until your "metric ton of salt" post was about Therm, I assumed you had a typo. My apologies.

... Let the records know that I'm a fucking moron. I completely misread Kowani's post.

We promise not to think any less of you.

[Diopolis]

I don't think it's a magical cure-all, which is specifically why I said in my very first post in this thread "Something needs to be done to put a stop to this shit as much as is possible." I think Socialism's the closest thing to being able to put a stop to shit like this as much as is possible, on account of how it can solve many of the systemic problems in America that directly or indirectly lead to this kind of shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ted_States

But here's the thing - in years past we didn't have socialism and yet people weren't going around shooting up Wal-Marts. I mean, there were very few until the 1970s and for most of that history the country had effectively unregulated, unrestricted capitalism and no gun control. Even in the 1970s and later, this really didn't start to pick up in intensity and frequency until the mid-2000s.

My best guess is there's something about modern post-70's life that makes people, young males in particular, susceptible to radicalization and doing insane things for attention.
I mean, in the 50's and 60's you could literally order a gun by mail. With a modest amount of paperwork, you could obtain an automatic weapon. This didn't happen then.

[Jolthig]

Yes. That's what I'm saying. We need to get to the root of the problem. It starts by stopping access by extremists in getting these weapons. Then, we counter their ideologies with education.

A: What is the root of the problem in your eyes?
B: What laws would prevent extremists from getting access to weapons without further hindering law abiding citizens?

A. Extremist rhetoric influencing those who shoot up places as is the case of Christchurch.

B. You'll have to define law-abiding citizens. Those who follow all laws except for the regulations that are passed?

[Torrocca]

I don't think it's a magical cure-all, which is specifically why I said in my very first post in this thread "Something needs to be done to put a stop to this shit as much as is possible." I think Socialism's the closest thing to being able to put a stop to shit like this as much as is possible, on account of how it can solve many of the systemic problems in America that directly or indirectly lead to this kind of shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ted_States

But here's the thing - in years past we didn't have socialism and yet people weren't going around shooting up Wal-Marts. I mean, there were very few until the 1970s and for most of that history the country had effectively unregulated, unrestricted capitalism and no gun control. Even in the 1970s and later, this really didn't start to pick up in intensity and frequency until the mid-2000s.

Before the 70s, wages and whatnot were generally rising with inflation.

Now I'm not saying poverty's the only issue, because it's clearly not, but it's certainly one of the primary issues that drives people to commit crimes, up to and including mass-murder. That's the systemic problem that could easily be fixed with Socialism (again, non-authoritarian Socialism), which would thusly reduce the risk of shit like this occurring.

[Diopolis]

Yes. That's what I'm saying. We need to get to the root of the problem. It starts by stopping access by extremists in getting these weapons. Then, we counter their ideologies with education.

A: What is the root of the problem in your eyes?
B: What laws would prevent extremists from getting access to weapons without further hindering law abiding citizens?

As for B, I would argue that as buying more guns is not a particularly frequent occurrence for most responsible gun owners, laws that create a modest amount of inconvenience for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun could be fine if they really do work in keeping criminals and other dangerous people disarmed. Note that I said a modest amount of inconvenience, not a large amount.

[Paddy O Fernature]

A: What is the root of the problem in your eyes?
B: What laws would prevent extremists from getting access to weapons without further hindering law abiding citizens?

A. Extremist rhetoric influencing those who shoot up places as is the case of Christchurch.

B. You'll have to define law-abiding citizens. Those who follow all laws except for the regulations that are passed?

So, how is restricting firearms going to hinder extremist rhetoric?

And law abiding is pretty damned self explanatory.

[Jolthig]

A. Extremist rhetoric influencing those who shoot up places as is the case of Christchurch.

B. You'll have to define law-abiding citizens. Those who follow all laws except for the regulations that are passed?

So, how is restricting firearms going to hinder extremist rhetoric?

And law abiding is pretty damned self explanatory.

It's not. It will however restrict them from getting deadlier weapons like guns.

I know, but what would happen if the laws were passed hypothetically, then what?

[Paddy O Fernature]

A: What is the root of the problem in your eyes?
B: What laws would prevent extremists from getting access to weapons without further hindering law abiding citizens?

As for B, I would argue that as buying more guns is not a particularly frequent occurrence for most responsible gun owners, laws that create a modest amount of inconvenience for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun could be fine if they really do work in keeping criminals and other dangerous people disarmed. Note that I said a modest amount of inconvenience, not a large amount.

In my opinion, these sorts of laws already exist and are in place currently, which is why I don't see the need for even more laws to be put in place.

So, how is restricting firearms going to hinder extremist rhetoric?

And law abiding is pretty damned self explanatory.

It's not. It will however restrict them from getting deadlier weapons like guns.

I know, but what would happen if the laws were passed hypothetically, then what?

What are you even talking about? You are literally contradicting yourself here.

[Kowani]

I don't think it's a magical cure-all, which is specifically why I said in my very first post in this thread "Something needs to be done to put a stop to this shit as much as is possible." I think Socialism's the closest thing to being able to put a stop to shit like this as much as is possible, on account of how it can solve many of the systemic problems in America that directly or indirectly lead to this kind of shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ted_States

But here's the thing - in years past we didn't have socialism and yet people weren't going around shooting up Wal-Marts. I mean, there were very few until the 1970s and for most of that history the country had effectively unregulated, unrestricted capitalism and no gun control. Even in the 1970s and later, this really didn't start to pick up in intensity and frequency until the mid-2000s.

Blame the appearance of corporate raiders and the death of corporate statesmen.

[Rojava Free State]

I just read the manifesto. It's shorter than the others that the other shooters put out but it's the same hate and violence as always.

Ladies and gentlemen, I think a fascist rebellion has started in america, and I encourage everyone to be careful out there and avoid public places. I will from now on be avoiding any crowd larger than 10 people and I'm not going to any campaign events anymore. Also, if you see any information about the shooter, do not repost it on Facebook or twitter. Don't give him attention. It's that attention that makes the killings keep happening.

Although I do think there is an increasing threat from the far right in the US, I think you might be a little bit paranoid here.

When the new Zealand shooter called for more mass shootings and every right wing assailant since then has hailed him? When we aren't even 5 days from the last right wing attack? I think not. I think people underestimate how violent the far right can be

[Nova Cyberia]

Wow. This is just sad.

[Diopolis]

As for B, I would argue that as buying more guns is not a particularly frequent occurrence for most responsible gun owners, laws that create a modest amount of inconvenience for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun could be fine if they really do work in keeping criminals and other dangerous people disarmed. Note that I said a modest amount of inconvenience, not a large amount.

In my opinion, these sorts of laws already exist and are in place currently, which is why I don't see the need for even more laws to be put in place

I agree with you that the current law strikes a pretty good balance, although there are some specifics that could be changed. However, if adding an additional step could be shown to be effective, I wouldn't consider it an immediate nonstarter.