Ronald Reagan racist?

[Chestaan]

When a man goes out of his way to arm rapist death squads I find it hard to be surprised if it turns out he's also a racist. Reagan was such a bad man already that him being a racist doesn't even make me think less of him because he already has a litany of marks against his name.

Was he a bad man though, or did he simply just have political ideas you disagree with?

If supporting death squads that enjoy raping nuns doesn't make you a bad person then nothing does.

[Republican Trump of The USA]

Ok you came up with one rare example, and it was also do to capitalist pressures not appeasement.

"While I understand your reasons for hating communism and hate communism myself, I don't support helping equally terrible people " Cool.

But as I said, they would not have transitioned to multi political party nations without Reagan's help. Their would have been executions and exiles of priests, nuns, LGBTs, political prisoners, nationalizations, eternal one political party state dictatorships like Cuba's and Venezuela, millions and millions of Central American refugees today compared to the numbers of today, without President Reagan.

So overall I thank President Reagan for saving Central America from communism as practiced all over the world and Cuba.

Too bad he didn't save them from the right wing terrorists. And it isn't just Poland that became Democratic after communism. Czech republic, slovakia, albania, Bulgaria, Slovenia. They all became Democratic after communism fell. Reagan didn't save Latin American freedom. He just sacrificed thousands of innocent lives to stop communism, like how he was propping up the apartheid government in South Africa because some of the people in the anti apartheid movement were communists. The people of Latin America aren't living much different in a right wing dictatorship than they would be in a communist one

The fall of the Russian Soviet Communist Empire of Eastern European nations was due to a lot of factors that we should not go into in great detail on this thread, and I wont. The result would have been eternal communist Cuba's as practiced the world over without Reagan, I think most of us can agree on that. My last back and forth on this with you and other fellow nations. I thank President Ronald Reagan for saving Central America from eternal communist socialist dictatorships that would never have transitioned to multi political party nations under those eternal communist revolutions, my last post on this, I have moved on.

[Greed and Death]

I dont generally view it as a racist. It was going for the cheap shot after a stressful cold war set back.

[Wallenburg]

If you were surprised to find yet more evidence Reagan was a massive racist, you haven't been paying much attention to American history or politics.

[Aclion]

"But both sides!!!!1!!" is the lamest excuse in the book.

I can't see the point of fighting communism "in the name of freedom" if you're just gonna arm fascists and overthrow Democratic leaders who lean a little too far left.

Chile before augusto Pinochet was a democratic country with a left wing president. Chile during Pinochet (the guy we put in) was a place where thousands of people were killed. All that blood is on American hands

Chile is one of the most democratic, free and prosperous nations in latin america, and a huge part of that is that Pinochet didn't let Allende turn it into another single party state.

[Rojava Free State]

I can't see the point of fighting communism "in the name of freedom" if you're just gonna arm fascists and overthrow Democratic leaders who lean a little too far left.

Chile before augusto Pinochet was a democratic country with a left wing president. Chile during Pinochet (the guy we put in) was a place where thousands of people were killed. All that blood is on American hands

Chile is one of the most democratic, free and prosperous nations in latin america, and a huge part of that is that Pinochet didn't let Allende turn it into another single party state.

More like because the people eventually overthrew the junta. If Pinochet was still in power, it would be horrific. As I said, there's no point in fighting communism if the anti communists are also violent authoritarians who put people to death for not agreeing with them. May as well let them fight it out because no matter who wins, we lose

Friendly reminder allende was democratically elected, whereas Pinochet was not

[Highever]

Chile is one of the most democratic, free and prosperous nations in latin america, and a huge part of that is that Pinochet didn't let Allende turn it into another single party state.

More like because the people eventually overthrew the junta. If Pinochet was still in power, it would be horrific. As I said, there's no point in fighting communism if the anti communists are also violent authoritarians who put people to death for not agreeing with them. May as well let them fight it out because no matter who wins, we lose

Friendly reminder allende was democratically elected, whereas Pinochet was not

Apparently the argument is because the US replaced democratically elected leaders with authoritarian dictatorships, this lead them to have democratic leaders again.

[Aclion]

More like because the people eventually overthrew the junta. If Pinochet was still in power, it would be horrific. As I said, there's no point in fighting communism if the anti communists are also violent authoritarians who put people to death for not agreeing with them. May as well let them fight it out because no matter who wins, we lose

"overthrew" He voluntary conducted a referendum and stepped down when he lost, leaving the current system of government.

Friendly reminder allende was democratically elected, whereas Pinochet was not

So was Maduro.

[The Black Forrest]

I dont generally view it as a racist. It was going for the cheap shot after a stressful cold war set back.

Hmmmm?

Use of the word monkey when talking about Africans?.......that's a rather racist statement.

[Rojava Free State]

More like because the people eventually overthrew the junta. If Pinochet was still in power, it would be horrific. As I said, there's no point in fighting communism if the anti communists are also violent authoritarians who put people to death for not agreeing with them. May as well let them fight it out because no matter who wins, we lose

"overthrew" He voluntary conducted a referendum and stepped down when he lost, leaving the current system of government.

Friendly reminder allende was democratically elected, whereas Pinochet was not

So was Maduro.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27état
No he didn't step down. He was overthrown

Also maduro isn't democratic. Most Venezuelans want him gone

[Aclion]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27état
No he didn't step down. He was overthrown

Also maduro isn't democratic. Most Venezuelans want him gone

You're confusing how Pinochet got into power with how he left.

Maduro came into power through a democratic election, that's my point. Just because they came into power democratically doesn't mean they'll leave democratically. The democratic election that elects a socialist is usually the last democratic election that nation has.

[Cedoria]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27état
No he didn't step down. He was overthrown

Also maduro isn't democratic. Most Venezuelans want him gone

You're confusing how Pinochet got into power with how he left.

Maduro came into power through a democratic election, that's my point. Just because they came into power democratically doesn't mean they'll leave democratically. The democratic election that elects a socialist is usually the last democratic election that nation has.

France called, they want a word with you.

And that’s obviously untrue, since Chile had more once they threw off the monstrosity of the Pinochet mafia state. Likewise, Australia and the UK have elected Socialists, as has Nepal, which elected proper Maoists, and still has democratic elections. India’s elected regional and national level socialists, still a democracy.

[Wallenburg]

I can't see the point of fighting communism "in the name of freedom" if you're just gonna arm fascists and overthrow Democratic leaders who lean a little too far left.

Chile before augusto Pinochet was a democratic country with a left wing president. Chile during Pinochet (the guy we put in) was a place where thousands of people were killed. All that blood is on American hands

Chile is one of the most democratic, free and prosperous nations in latin america, and a huge part of that is that Pinochet didn't let Allende turn it into another single party state.

This made the cringe compilation.

[Republican Trump of The USA]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... -no-racist:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49207451

Patti Davis comments on her father Ronald Reagan:
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After I examined this pro Reagan article I found and the negative and positive comments Reagan's daughter Patti Davis made about her father, from my personal perspective President Ronald Reagan was not racist, some fellow nations will agree and some fellow nations will disagree, and that is our different views on the issue, and I respect our rights to disagree with each other on the issue or on any issues.

As I stated before, anyone can make a racist or bad comment on any situation and not be racist, especially in a moment of anger, like in this incident in question, their have been many Republicans, Democrats, talk show hosts and celebrities who have made racists and bad comments, most or many apologized for them.

Patti Davis Reagan's daughter: Regardless, she wrote that the words she heard "will stay with me forever", and said her father if alive "would have asked for forgiveness" if he had heard the recording.

Yes, President Reagan used the racist word Monkey and shoes when referring to the Black Africans in this incident.

In 1980 President Reagan received over 43 % of the Hispanic vote and more during 1988, I found a source that says 35 % in 1980 and 37 % in 1984, California has not voted Republican for President since 1980 and 1984 for President Reagan and 1988 for George H. W. Bush Senior.

President Reagan named African Americans Collin Powell as his national security advisor and Samuel Pierce as his Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

President Reagan singed the Martin Luther King Birthday Holiday into law.

As governor of California, Reagan appointed more African-Americans to government positions than any previous chief executive of the state. In the 1980 presidential campaign, Reagan was endorsed by civil rights leaders Ralph Abernathy, Charles Evers, and Hosea Williams.

Reagan supported statehood for Puerto Rico, and legalized 3,000,000 million illegal immigrants of all races, and also deported illegal because they were illegals.

According to Reagan's daughter Patti Davis, "I can't tell you about the man who was on the phone," she writes. "He's not a man I knew."

Regardless, she wrote that the words she heard "will stay with me forever", and said her father if alive "would have asked for forgiveness" if he had heard the recording.

Her father, she wrote, stood up against segregation when he played football in college and later on when he was in office, when given membership to "a ritzy country club in Los Angeles".

"He turned it down because the club didn't allow Jews or African Americans."

And my personal favorite according to the article I found:
It is well known that while in college, on a football team road trip in 1931, Reagan’s team stayed at a hotel that did not allow African-Americans. So Reagan took two of his fellow players, who happened to be African-American, to his nearby home, where they spent the night with his family instead.

A racist Ronald Reagan would not take two African American fellow players to his nearby home if he were racist.

As I stated, anyone can make a racist or bad comment on any situation and not be racist, especially in a moment of anger, like in this incident in question, their have been many Republicans, Democrats, talk show hosts and celebrities who have made racists and bad comments, most or many apologized for them.

Based on all the evidence I have examined from my personal perspective President Ronald Reagan was not a racist, some fellow nations will agree, others will disagree and both views of President Reagan should be respected or are respected.

From my own Personal Political Perspective President Reagan was the greatest US President, I respect the right of my fellow nations who disagree.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... -no-racist:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49207451

[Tobleste]

I'm a Conservative who likes Reagan but this doesn't surprise me at all. To be honest, I'd be willing to bet that almost all politicians of that time, both right and left, probably made some really dumb comments here and there with close friends. Hell, many modern politicans, both left and right, still say really dumb comments with people they're close with.

Basically this. Practically every politician in the 80s likely said things we'd view as offensive now. That's what's troubling Biden. It's especially likely given the more racist leanings of US conservatives but even without that, these comments are unsurprising.

[Republican Trump of The USA]

I'm a Conservative who likes Reagan but this doesn't surprise me at all. To be honest, I'd be willing to bet that almost all politicians of that time, both right and left, probably made some really dumb comments here and there with close friends. Hell, many modern politicans, both left and right, still say really dumb comments with people they're close with.

We Agree on this one Chuck.