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[DEFEATED] Preventing Unjust Warfare

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Losthaven
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Founded: Dec 31, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Losthaven » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:00 am

Losthaven votes FOR this proposal. The measure seems reasonably calculated to foster peace, and our political leaning toward pacifistic measures compels our support. We have reached a point in our evolution where natural selection is no longer a major driving force, given our ability to shape and control our environment. We continue to evolve as social creatures, and we must at some point stop culling ourselves through violence if we are to survive as a species.

We agree, however, that there are conceptual problems with putting such STRONG disarmament restraints on member nations. The concentration of community resources to apply military force toward necessary goals is one of the defining features of a nation, and I do see why the stringent restrictions proposed here are being rejected by many members.
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Kenmoria
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Founded: Jul 03, 2017
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:13 pm

"Preventing Unjust Warfare" was defeated 10,110 votes to 2,917.
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Marxist Germany
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:56 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
"Preventing Unjust Warfare" was defeated 10,110 votes to 2,917.

OOC:That was an unexpected lemming and delegate stomp.
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Havip
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Founded: Jul 30, 2019
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Postby Havip » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:57 pm

"In clause 2c, how can a government be expected to weigh up these costs and returns if the concept of "expected returns" from a war is so abstract and unmeasureable?How can, for example, curbing the spread of a hostile ideology be weighed up? Furthermore, are these expected returns for the nation engaging in war or for the world as a whole? That is not clear to me." :D

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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:31 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:
"Preventing Unjust Warfare" was defeated 10,110 votes to 2,917.

OOC:That was an unexpected lemming and delegate stomp.

(OOC: Certainly very stomping, but not entirely unexpected. The amount of delegates voting against was a surprise though; I thought delegates would be mostly in favour but the individual nations against it.)
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Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
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Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

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