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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:49 pm

“The ‘recognising’ clause has ‘avoiding the ban’ right before the ‘avoid the ban’ in the next sentence. To avoid repetition, I recommend changing the wording on one of these.”
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:49 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:"Ambassador, we do not believe it wise to risk a replacement. Further, it remains our opinion that if the government is the main owner of a prison, the perverse incentives of a free market are kept in check."

So the government couldn't possibly make themselves an profit maximising state-owned enterprise? An interesting assessment.


Would that not define a Crown Corporation? Most Crown Corporations are setup in a way as to be non-profit.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:40 am

Kenmoria wrote:“The ‘recognising’ clause has ‘avoiding the ban’ right before the ‘avoid the ban’ in the next sentence. To avoid repetition, I recommend changing the wording on one of these.”

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OOC:The resolution is basically just a nuisance and barely achieves its ban, would you not want a better replacement? Though you shouldn't expect me to write it up.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:04 am

Wayneactia wrote:Would that not define a Crown Corporation? Most Crown Corporations are setup in a way as to be non-profit.

I'm thinking something like Amtrak more than Royal Mail.
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:02 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:"Ambassador, we do not believe it wise to risk a replacement. Further, it remains our opinion that if the government is the main owner of a prison, the perverse incentives of a free market are kept in check."

So the government couldn't possibly make themselves an profit maximising state-owned enterprise? An interesting assessment.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:06 am

Building yourselves some big walls...

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Postby Artsotska » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:19 am

I give this my full approval as this Resolution to be admitted as one itself. I support this future repeal.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:12 am

"Submitted."
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Postby Liberimery » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:12 am

The quote of clause 3 does not specify as to which nations judicial system made the conviction only that they cannot hold a criminal remanded to their prison system. It does have other problems, but the specific quote says nothing to imply that two nations in such an arrangement have a loophole that you outlined.

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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:30 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:"Submitted."

“Good luck. Hopefully, a repeal and replacement will give WA member nations the opportunity to consider how much they wish to restrict free enterprise. I hope that a replacement will seek more of a compromise, supportive of the free market, than the one-sided legislation currently on the books.”
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:11 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:"Submitted."

“Good luck. Hopefully, a repeal and replacement will give WA member nations the opportunity to consider how much they wish to restrict free enterprise. I hope that a replacement will seek more of a compromise, supportive of the free market, than the one-sided legislation currently on the books.”

"Indeed ambassador, I hope the replacement will restrict private prisons but not completely or partially ban them, regulating businesses conservatively is what we believe is the right solution."
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Postby United States of Americanas » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:37 pm

You have my supporting vote under the condition that it is immediately replaced with an infallible ban on private prisons.
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:34 pm

United States of Americanas wrote:You have my supporting vote under the condition that it is immediately replaced with an infallible ban on private prisons.

OOC: Feel free to write one up, if you can. :P
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:28 am

OOC:Quorum missed by 4 approvals, for the third time. :evil:
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:00 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:Quorum missed by 4 approvals, for the third time. :evil:

OOC: How do you campaign for it?
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:18 pm

“Is there a reason to bold your opening verbs?”

ETA: Thanks Ara
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:58 pm

Kenmoria wrote:“Is there a reason to hold bold your opening verbs?”

OOC: Fixed. :P
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:52 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:Quorum missed by 4 approvals, for the third time. :evil:

OOC: How do you campaign for it?

OOC:API, sent a TG to every delegate, however, didn't get most of them done until the second day, that could've affected the vote.
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:12 am

Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:API, sent a TG to every delegate, however, didn't get most of them done until the second day, that could've affected the vote.

OOC: Also *points to a calendar* summer.
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:15 am

Araraukar wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:API, sent a TG to every delegate, however, didn't get most of them done until the second day, that could've affected the vote.

OOC: Also *points to a calendar* summer.

(OOC: What’s significant about summer? I thought summer was a General forum thing.)
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:24 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: What’s significant about summer? I thought summer was a General forum thing.)

OOC: I don't mean NS Summer, I mean actual summer. People having other things to do than spend time in NS or check in daily. So given there's under 4 days to get the approvals, delegates might not just log in often enough or for long enough.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:57 am

OOC:Submitting this today at the minor update 5pm UTC+1.

Edit: Due to some irl stuff submission has been delayed until the tomorrow, sorry.
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Postby Mockia » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:07 pm

We've already legalized private prisons against the World Assembly's wishes
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:55 pm

Mockia wrote:We've already legalized private prisons against the World Assembly's wishes

(OOC: Therefore, according to the Administrative Compliance Act, your nation will be receiving increasingly heavy fines. Also, your contributions will be ignored by almost everyone here, since noncompliance often comes with godmodding.)
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Postby Liberimery » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:23 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Mockia wrote:We've already legalized private prisons against the World Assembly's wishes

(OOC: Therefore, according to the Administrative Compliance Act, your nation will be receiving increasingly heavy fines. Also, your contributions will be ignored by almost everyone here, since noncompliance often comes with godmodding.)


OOC: Technically, the resolution gives two years to comply from passage so he is within compliance at time of writing.

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