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Biphobia in the LGBT community

Postby Springfeal » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:39 am

The past few years have seen more and more progress made in regards to LGBT rights (well except in Africa, Russia, and Islamic world), with many countries legalizing same-sex marriages. I myself have been getting more involved in activism for LGBT rights. However, I have sadly discovered a sad truth.

It seems that even in the LGBT community, there exists high levels of bigotry. I have met many homosexuals that are bigoted towards transgendered people and additionally I have met many homosexuals that flat out believe that bisexuality doesn't exist and hate those who say they are bisexual with a passion. When I asked them why they hated bisexuals so much, I usually got one of two answers. The first answer is that they think that bisexuality doesn't exist and that bisexuals were really just homosexuals that were lying to themselves. The second answer was that they thought that bisexuality was just a phase that confused young people went through.

As a rebuttal to the latter answer, I stated that it is impossible for bisexuality to be a phase since people cannot change their sexual orientation since sexual orientation is the result of genetic and biological factors. I say that while a few people might think they are bisexual when they are really curious, most bisexuals are genuinely bisexual. That shuts up some of biphobes, but shockingly, others stated that they believed that sexual orientation is a choice. This is coming from homosexuals who are active in the LGBT rights movement. The same movement which works to spread the truth that sexual orientation isn't a choice.

I am not saying that every homosexual is biphobic, I have met many that are not. But, unfortunately, I have met many that are.

So what do you think about this bigotry that exists in the LGBT community and what can be done to solve it? Here is my answer. I think that LGBT organizations should distribute more information on bisexuality (at least as much as they do on homosexuality), and bisexuals should do more to become a more prominent force in the LGBT rights movement. If those two things are done then biphobia rates will quickly go down in both the LGBT community and the straight community.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:43 am

Surprise, surprise, LGBT people are people. In other news, water is wet!

EDIT: Also, 5% of humans are completely straight, 5% are completely gay, about 5% (or was it 3%?) are asexual, and the rest belong on the bisexual continuum in between.
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Postby Springfeal » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:47 am

Araraukar wrote:Surprise, surprise, LGBT people are people. In other news, water is wet!

EDIT: Also, 5% of humans are completely straight, 5% are completely gay, about 5% (or was it 3%?) are asexual, and the rest belong on the bisexual continuum in between.


Bisexual implies almost equal attraction to both sexes. The terms heteroflexible and homoflexibile are used to refer to people that lean more one way.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:48 am

Springfeal wrote:
Araraukar wrote:Surprise, surprise, LGBT people are people. In other news, water is wet!

EDIT: Also, 5% of humans are completely straight, 5% are completely gay, about 5% (or was it 3%?) are asexual, and the rest belong on the bisexual continuum in between.


Bisexual implies almost equal attraction to both sexes. The terms heteroflexible and homoflexibile are used to refer to people that lean more one way.

Huh, new terms.
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Postby Springfeal » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:49 am

Galloism wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
Bisexual implies almost equal attraction to both sexes. The terms heteroflexible and homoflexibile are used to refer to people that lean more one way.

Huh, new terms.


I have seen them around for a few years.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:50 am

Springfeal wrote:Bisexual implies almost equal attraction to both sexes. The terms heteroflexible and homoflexibile are used to refer to people that lean more one way.

No, "bisexual" is an umbrella term, just like "transgender" or "asexual". You'll find different subcategories under the umbrella term.

...also, the use of "flexible" there makes me think of acrobatics in bed...
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:52 am

I’m probably showing that I still have much English to learn, but…what is “biphodia?”
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:52 am

Springfeal wrote:As a rebuttal to the latter answer, I stated that it is impossible for bisexuality to be a phase since people cannot change their sexual orientation since sexual orientation is the result of genetic and biological factors

Actually the jury's still out on that.
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:53 am

Kowani wrote:I’m probably showing that I still have much English to learn, but…what is “biphodia?”

I think Springfeal meant "bipobia".
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Postby Springfeal » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:53 am

ElCKuT wrote:
Springfeal wrote:As a rebuttal to the latter answer, I stated that it is impossible for bisexuality to be a phase since people cannot change their sexual orientation since sexual orientation is the result of genetic and biological factors

Actually the jury's still out on that.


Not really.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:53 am

ElCKuT wrote:
Springfeal wrote:As a rebuttal to the latter answer, I stated that it is impossible for bisexuality to be a phase since people cannot change their sexual orientation since sexual orientation is the result of genetic and biological factors

Actually the jury's still out on that.


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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:54 am

ElCKuT wrote:
Springfeal wrote:As a rebuttal to the latter answer, I stated that it is impossible for bisexuality to be a phase since people cannot change their sexual orientation since sexual orientation is the result of genetic and biological factors

Actually the jury's still out on that.

Citation needed.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:54 am

ElCKuT wrote:
Springfeal wrote:As a rebuttal to the latter answer, I stated that it is impossible for bisexuality to be a phase since people cannot change their sexual orientation since sexual orientation is the result of genetic and biological factors

Actually the jury's still out on that.

Source? Unless you're saying you consciously chose your own sexuality.
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Postby Springfeal » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:54 am

Kowani wrote:I’m probably showing that I still have much English to learn, but…what is “biphodia?”


I corrected the spelling :p

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Postby UIJ » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:54 am

Springfeal wrote:
Araraukar wrote:Surprise, surprise, LGBT people are people. In other news, water is wet!

EDIT: Also, 5% of humans are completely straight, 5% are completely gay, about 5% (or was it 3%?) are asexual, and the rest belong on the bisexual continuum in between.


Bisexual implies almost equal attraction to both sexes. The terms heteroflexible and homoflexibile are used to refer to people that lean more one way.

Okay but why

Wouldn’t it cost less brain cells to just say “yeah I’m bi but I prefer guys/gals”
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:55 am

I thought there was still debate and study on whether sexuality is nature, nurture or both.
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Postby Ausinia » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:55 am

Springfeal wrote:
Araraukar wrote:Surprise, surprise, LGBT people are people. In other news, water is wet!

EDIT: Also, 5% of humans are completely straight, 5% are completely gay, about 5% (or was it 3%?) are asexual, and the rest belong on the bisexual continuum in between.


Bisexual implies almost equal attraction to both sexes. The terms heteroflexible and homoflexibile are used to refer to people that lean more one way.

It simply means that you are attracted by more then one gender, you can have them leaning, but the same time, pansexual is considered a lart of bisexual, where would that fit in?
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ElCKuT wrote:I thought there was still debate and study on whether sexuality is nature, nurture or both.


So let's see it then.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:56 am

UIJ wrote:Wouldn’t it cost less brain cells to just say “yeah I’m bi but I prefer guys/gals”

It's because many self-claimed heterosexuals have a huge need to put different-to-them people into different boxes.
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Postby UIJ » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:59 am

ElCKuT wrote:I thought there was still debate and study on whether sexuality is nature, nurture or both.

It’s pretty much completely genetic.
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UIJ wrote:Wouldn’t it cost less brain cells to just say “yeah I’m bi but I prefer guys/gals”

It's because many self-claimed heterosexuals have a huge need to put different-to-them people into different boxes.

Sounds like a generalization and BS at that, too! Are you going to actually add anything worth people's time or...?
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:01 am

Vassenor wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:I thought there was still debate and study on whether sexuality is nature, nurture or both.


So let's see it then.

https://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality/
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2010/nature ... -sexuality
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Postby Mzeusia » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:02 am

Araraukar wrote:
UIJ wrote:Wouldn’t it cost less brain cells to just say “yeah I’m bi but I prefer guys/gals”

It's because many self-claimed heterosexuals have a huge need to put different-to-them people into different boxes.

Heterosexuals didn't come up with gay, lesbian, bisexual and all the other names in order to identify people, the people who identify as those things did.
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>Still debate and study

>article from a decade ago

Got anything that shows that said debate is still ongoing within academia like you claimed?
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Postby Aozora Blu Sky » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:05 am

As someone who is trasngender and pre-op I can vouch that the bigotry is very real on the Internet. The fact that it's easy to lie about your gender identity online makes it much, much worse.

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Postby Songha » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:05 am

Springfeal wrote:As a rebuttal to the latter answer, I stated that it is impossible for bisexuality to be a phase since people cannot change their sexual orientation since sexual orientation is the result of genetic and biological factors. I say that while a few people might think they are bisexual when they are really curious, most bisexuals are genuinely bisexual. That shuts up some of biphobes, but shockingly, others stated that they believed that sexual orientation is a choice. This is coming from homosexuals who are active in the LGBT rights movement. The same movement which works to spread the truth that sexual orientation isn't a choice.


I get your point but sexuality DOES change. You're correct in that you can't really choose to change it, but it does change - Mine did and many people's do over the course of their lives.

Biphobia is of course, awful, but it's.. really not nearly as much of an issue, especially within the LGBT Community, as people make it out to be - And I'm a Pansexual Person that's been active in the community for 5-6 years now. Most biphobia I do see is from homophobes who just want to deny any LGBT identity.

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