LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Kubra]

Spurious and unfounded claims that carried them through both state and municipal elections despite not really being a party, just a loose collection of cranks.

yeah, pakistani immigrants have a weird inbreeding habit, and it's good to see us getting out of the muslim thing. They're estimated to be around 38-40% consanguineous in 2014, less than the reported rate in pakistan proper (around 60%) and down from a 2005 estimate of 55%.
Now, you see that's a difference of between 6%-17%. This is what I get at when I talk about generation, bruv.

I disagree that we're getting away from the "muslim" thing. Religiosity in general is a vehicle for justifying backwards traditions even if they aren't necessarily founded in the religion, as the religion provides the tools and training to just enforce and accept that kind of thing.

The inbreeding issue is one that has improved, but not to a degree i'm comfortable with. I think the practice needs to be banned, along with circumcision and a few other things, but one issue that has gotten worse over generations is the homophobia. UK muslims descended from immigrants are more homophobic than immigrant ones.

I mean I assume we are, insofar as Pakistan's inbreeding rate differs quite a bit from other muslim countries, never mind internally (inbreeding among urban residents is estimated as low as 34%).
There's nothing in the quran or any hadith that mandates getting married to your cousin, bruv. Most muslims, you know, don't. Pakistans do, but in the cities where someone might tell them "marrying your cousin is going to fuck up your kids" they do so at quite a different rate.

Certainly, that is the case. The irish, remember the draft riots? 2nd gen still resembles 1st gen, sometimes they intensify in some categories. But hey, babies pop out, have some hanky panky at a boarding school, and the distance between son and father and great grandfather and so on seem's to expand.
I mean come now, do you come from a long line of radical whigs or something?

[Ostroeuropa]

I disagree that we're getting away from the "muslim" thing. Religiosity in general is a vehicle for justifying backwards traditions even if they aren't necessarily founded in the religion, as the religion provides the tools and training to just enforce and accept that kind of thing.

The inbreeding issue is one that has improved, but not to a degree i'm comfortable with. I think the practice needs to be banned, along with circumcision and a few other things, but one issue that has gotten worse over generations is the homophobia. UK muslims descended from immigrants are more homophobic than immigrant ones.

I mean I assume we are, insofar as Pakistan's inbreeding rate differs quite a bit from other muslim countries, never mind internally (inbreeding among urban residents is estimated as low as 34%).
There's nothing in the quran or any hadith that mandates getting married to your cousin, bruv. Most muslims, you know, don't. Pakistans do, but in the cities where someone might tell them "marrying your cousin is going to fuck up your kids" they do so at quite a different rate.

Certainly, that is the case. The irish, remember the draft riots? 2nd gen still resembles 1st gen, sometimes they intensify in some categories. But hey, babies pop out, have some hanky panky at a boarding school, and the distance between son and father and great grandfather and so on seem's to expand.
I mean come now, do you come from a long line of radical whigs or something?

You either didn't understand or didn't engage with the point I made regarding how this is still related to Islam.

I come from a long line of welsh socialists.

[Kubra]

I mean I assume we are, insofar as Pakistan's inbreeding rate differs quite a bit from other muslim countries, never mind internally (inbreeding among urban residents is estimated as low as 34%).
There's nothing in the quran or any hadith that mandates getting married to your cousin, bruv. Most muslims, you know, don't. Pakistans do, but in the cities where someone might tell them "marrying your cousin is going to fuck up your kids" they do so at quite a different rate.

Certainly, that is the case. The irish, remember the draft riots? 2nd gen still resembles 1st gen, sometimes they intensify in some categories. But hey, babies pop out, have some hanky panky at a boarding school, and the distance between son and father and great grandfather and so on seem's to expand.
I mean come now, do you come from a long line of radical whigs or something?

I come from a long line of welsh socialists.

With a nationalist bent, I presume?

[Ostroeuropa]

I come from a long line of welsh socialists.

With a nationalist bent, I presume?

Like most of the working classes, I am a nationalist and so is my family. To my knowledge so were my forebears.

[Kubra]

With a nationalist bent, I presume?

Like most of the working classes, I am a nationalist and so is my family. To my knowledge so were my forebears.

Well, what sort of nationalism?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.

[Ostroeuropa]

Like most of the working classes, I am a nationalist and so is my family. To my knowledge so were my forebears.

Well, what sort of nationalism?

Well just in this couple of generations there's a general theme which I suppose may go back further.

We're fans of the discourse of the united kingdom and western civilization as a whole and consider it and them superior to most other societies to the extent that we regard intervention to be permissible, where it is economically and diplomatically wise to do so. We lament the Empires mismanagement and fall alongside lamenting its treatment of occupied nations and don't experience a problem doing both at once.

We think the nation is a fundamental unit for standing up to global capitalism and that globalism and multiculturalism and so on, along with the undermining of nationalism, are due to the rich fearing national interests will be used to end their shenanigans.

We like the commonwealth and the EU. We were vaguely in favor of a European federation but not opposed to the status quo, briefly swung in favor of Brexit during the referendum, before becoming undecided in time for the vote, and now are pro-EU.

We like our culture and want to see it preserved and continue.

Probably the biggest disagreement is over international feminism and its role in the UN and so on. No prizes for guessing why.

I am Welsh, British, and European, then Western. All of those comprise part of my national identity, and this appears to be the case for my mother and grandmother too. Primarily I am Welsh. I hold loyalty to Britain, but more to Wales. So it goes for Europe and so on.

[Torrocca]

With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.

There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3

[The South Falls]

With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.

There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3

Or my favorite form of oxymoronic leftism, anarcho-eco-soci-communism.

[Nakena]

With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.

There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3

Theres nothing wrong with 3rd Position Gang either :^)

[Torrocca]

There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3

Theres nothing wrong with 3rd Position Gang either :^)

*s c r e a m s a n a r c h i s t l y*

[Jolthig]

Any Maoists in here?

[First American Empire]

There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3

Theres nothing wrong with 3rd Position Gang either :^)

If you don't like either of those, we SocDems would love to have you.

[First American Empire]

Having any number of Muslims is inherently harmful for any country in multiple aspects (including its culture, civil rights, and safety). Europe isn't really an exception in that front.

Muslims in the US are actually less conservative and less likely to support terrorism than the average American.

Source: https://www.pewforum.org/2017/07/26/fin ... s-muslims/

[Washington Resistance Army]

Any Maoists in here?

I think there was one guy who held to Maoism a few years back but I don't know of any current followers of the ideology.

I have a soft spot and interest for certain facets of Maoist thought ie the Peoples War and such things but little more beyond that.

[Cappuccina]

With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.

Why to the left? Opposition to the current cultural paradigm doesn't necessitate a leftist bent at all.

[Jolthig]

Any Maoists in here?

I think there was one guy who held to Maoism a few years back but I don't know of any current followers of the ideology.

I have a soft spot and interest for certain facets of Maoist thought ie the Peoples War and such things but little more beyond that.

What do you think of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I think there was one guy who held to Maoism a few years back but I don't know of any current followers of the ideology.

I have a soft spot and interest for certain facets of Maoist thought ie the Peoples War and such things but little more beyond that.

What do you think of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?

Disastrously stupid on the former and downright traitorous on the latter.

[Duvniask]

With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.

Go all the way.

Release your inner commie.

[Nakena]

Theres nothing wrong with 3rd Position Gang either :^)

If you don't like either of those, we SocDems would love to have you.

I am flattered.

I like the drift.

But I am a tsundere.

[Jolthig]

What do you think of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?

Disastrously stupid on the former and downright traitorous on the latter.

Yeah, Mao hardly knew how to properly manage an economy or a country lol. Ridiculous

[Kubra]

Well, what sort of nationalism?

Well just in this couple of generations there's a general theme which I suppose may go back further.

We're fans of the discourse of the united kingdom and western civilization as a whole and consider it and them superior to most other societies to the extent that we regard intervention to be permissible, where it is economically and diplomatically wise to do so. We lament the Empires mismanagement and fall alongside lamenting its treatment of occupied nations and don't experience a problem doing both at once.

We think the nation is a fundamental unit for standing up to global capitalism and that globalism and multiculturalism and so on, along with the undermining of nationalism, are due to the rich fearing national interests will be used to end their shenanigans.

We like the commonwealth and the EU. We were vaguely in favor of a European federation but not opposed to the status quo, briefly swung in favor of Brexit during the referendum, before becoming undecided in time for the vote, and now are pro-EU.

We like our culture and want to see it preserved and continue.

Probably the biggest disagreement is over international feminism and its role in the UN and so on. No prizes for guessing why.

I am Welsh, British, and European, then Western. All of those comprise part of my national identity, and this appears to be the case for my mother and grandmother too. Primarily I am Welsh. I hold loyalty to Britain, but more to Wales. So it goes for Europe and so on.

er, so not exactly welsh nationalism, then?

[Ostroeuropa]

Well just in this couple of generations there's a general theme which I suppose may go back further.

We're fans of the discourse of the united kingdom and western civilization as a whole and consider it and them superior to most other societies to the extent that we regard intervention to be permissible, where it is economically and diplomatically wise to do so. We lament the Empires mismanagement and fall alongside lamenting its treatment of occupied nations and don't experience a problem doing both at once.

We think the nation is a fundamental unit for standing up to global capitalism and that globalism and multiculturalism and so on, along with the undermining of nationalism, are due to the rich fearing national interests will be used to end their shenanigans.

We like the commonwealth and the EU. We were vaguely in favor of a European federation but not opposed to the status quo, briefly swung in favor of Brexit during the referendum, before becoming undecided in time for the vote, and now are pro-EU.

We like our culture and want to see it preserved and continue.

Probably the biggest disagreement is over international feminism and its role in the UN and so on. No prizes for guessing why.

I am Welsh, British, and European, then Western. All of those comprise part of my national identity, and this appears to be the case for my mother and grandmother too. Primarily I am Welsh. I hold loyalty to Britain, but more to Wales. So it goes for Europe and so on.

er, so not exactly welsh nationalis, then?

I feel that wales and welsh identity and history fit neatly into those wider narratives as easily as the history of your local town fits into your region and so on.

[Kubra]

er, so not exactly welsh nationalis, then?

I feel that wales and welsh identity and history fit neatly into those wider narratives as easily as the history of your local town fits into your region and so on.

So no plaid voters among you lot, then?

[Ostroeuropa]

I feel that wales and welsh identity and history fit neatly into those wider narratives as easily as the history of your local town fits into your region and so on.

So no plaid voters among you lot, then?

Not currently, though if NI+Scotland bugger off we'll probably back independence in order to rejoin the EU and potentially align with the other celtic nations, albeit, with re-Unionist sympathies.