by Elwher » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:35 am
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:41 am
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by Maydona » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:46 am
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:46 am
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:47 am
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:48 am
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:I can't even think of what point OP is trying to make. You can call an illegal immigrant as such because....they might be? But it's racist if you call all immigrants illegal without proof. And if you call people racist for calling someone an illegal immigrant with proof that's also bad, right? Am I with you so far?
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:51 am
by Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:11 am
by Elwher » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:56 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Kinda bloggy, what are we suppose to discuss?
by Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:58 am
Elwher wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Kinda bloggy, what are we suppose to discuss?
Is it hypocritical to refrain from using the technically accurate term illegal immigrant because illegal immigrants are offended by it but to not refrain from using the technically accurate term racist when racists are offended by it?
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:06 am
by World Builder » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:06 am
by Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:11 am
World Builder wrote:Innocent until proven guilty. You don't know if any given stranger is here legally, here illegally, born here, studying here, etc. until you have more information. If they are indeed an undocumented immigrant or an illegal immigrant, you get to call them that. If you just assume they are, that's the offensive part.
by Elwher » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:33 am
World Builder wrote:Innocent until proven guilty. You don't know if any given stranger is here legally, here illegally, born here, studying here, etc. until you have more information. If they are indeed an undocumented immigrant or an illegal immigrant, you get to call them that. If you just assume they are, that's the offensive part.
People claiming to be offended by being called racist for saying racist things have nothing to do with a matter of legal fact. But, rule of thumb, if most people think a thing you said is racist, it probably is. Try not knee-jerk reacting like a little baby and instead rationally approach the possibility that you did indeed say something cruddy, even if you didn't realise it was cruddy at the time. Ask questions instead of telling people what you think they mean. Only way to learn.
by Elwher » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:35 am
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Your rhetorical style is dizzying and your ideas are unique—I’ll give you that.
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:39 am
by Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:56 am
Elwher wrote:World Builder wrote:Innocent until proven guilty. You don't know if any given stranger is here legally, here illegally, born here, studying here, etc. until you have more information. If they are indeed an undocumented immigrant or an illegal immigrant, you get to call them that. If you just assume they are, that's the offensive part.
People claiming to be offended by being called racist for saying racist things have nothing to do with a matter of legal fact. But, rule of thumb, if most people think a thing you said is racist, it probably is. Try not knee-jerk reacting like a little baby and instead rationally approach the possibility that you did indeed say something cruddy, even if you didn't realise it was cruddy at the time. Ask questions instead of telling people what you think they mean. Only way to learn.
Many news outlets have clear public policies that insist that their reports use the term undocumented rather than illegal immigrant, even when it is know that the person is in the country illegally. That is not an assumption of anything. The question is, should these outlets have a similar policy towards the term racist?
by Page » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:00 am
by Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:03 am
by Page » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:04 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:The funny thing about the whole "undocumented immigrants" Newspeak is that many of these people are very much documented. Many overstayed their Visas, so we do actually have documentation on them.
"Illegal immigrant" is the more accurate term because, well, they're here illegally.
by Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:06 am
Page wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:The funny thing about the whole "undocumented immigrants" Newspeak is that many of these people are very much documented. Many overstayed their Visas, so we do actually have documentation on them.
"Illegal immigrant" is the more accurate term because, well, they're here illegally.
There is no such thing as being in a place illegally, there is only the single action of entering a place illegally. How long one stays is irrelevant.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:13 am
Page wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:The funny thing about the whole "undocumented immigrants" Newspeak is that many of these people are very much documented. Many overstayed their Visas, so we do actually have documentation on them.
"Illegal immigrant" is the more accurate term because, well, they're here illegally.
There is no such thing as being in a place illegally, there is only the single action of entering a place illegally. How long one stays is irrelevant.
by Elwher » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:58 am
Page wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:The funny thing about the whole "undocumented immigrants" Newspeak is that many of these people are very much documented. Many overstayed their Visas, so we do actually have documentation on them.
"Illegal immigrant" is the more accurate term because, well, they're here illegally.
There is no such thing as being in a place illegally, there is only the single action of entering a place illegally. How long one stays is irrelevant.
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