Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Good; violence must be discouraged through legal means moreso than it is today.

[Thermodolia]

Yes, they host fascists. For example, Steven Crowder.

Steven Crowder may be a punchable prick, an idiot, an unfunny asshole, and a bunch of other things but the guy isn’t a fascist

[Thermodolia]

You're better than this, stop.

Racist, perhaps. Fascist, nah. Sympathizer? Perhaps.

More like an idiot pawn

[Pacomia]

You can be both a leftist and an open-minded critical thinker. It just so happens that I am both.

[Kowani]

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[Thermodolia]

Guess that's why they threw them into death camps and such.

Hitler murdered many political opponents and those who don't exactly conform to his beliefs. Even his own SA officers weren't spared, despite their loyalties.

You think so? I'd be more of the opinion that if you go to a rally where there are a bunch of Nazis on your side, and you decide to hang around with the Nazis instead of turning right the fuck around and going home, then you're basically a Nazi too.

It's important to understand the ideologies and thoughts of those who disagree with you (including that of Nazis). That way, if their ideology is bad (which it is), you can dispute them more easily, because you'll know what they will say and how they will think. This exchange of knowledge is why the First Amendment exists, and it can enlighten all who participate.

The idea that PragerU makes one more proficient in anything or somehow enlightens someone damn near made me have a spit take.

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I refuse to believe that any of those people are real

[Wallenburg]

Yes, they host fascists. For example, Steven Crowder.

You're better than this, stop.

Crowder has propagated the Bell Curve and the whole "western civilization" dogwhistle. He's massively bigoted against pretty much every minority imaginable. I am not sure what you find objectionable about my claim.

[Thermodolia]

PragerU Testimonials:

• "This is the first truly well done conservative YouTube channel that I've been able to find. It's so nice that youth with a more conservative mindset have a place to explore and expand upon their thoughts. I respect this channel even though I'm a liberal."
• "As a college student who had his mind opened by PragerU, I'm so happy to be donating a portion of what little money I have. There's no price on what you're doing and know that you're doing your part in exposing future generations to a better way of life!"
• "PragerU, unfortunately, didn't exist until AFTER I graduated college, but since listening it has helped clarify some of my views and gives me a better perspective on why I believe what I believe. It has equipped me to better articulate my values to my peers and for that I am forever grateful."
• "I'm left of center, yet look forward to each new video. I'm in complete agreement with your views on morality, and common sense life advice. Even the videos I disagree with, I like, because they make me scratch my head."
• "As a high school student in the Chicago area, I have had liberal views forced upon me in education and by my peers ever since I was a child. Thanks to PragerU that I am able to understand the truth and educate others correctly."
• "PragerU has opened my eyes to so many things. It's clear and concise way of explaining things has supplied me with the arguments I need to take on the left in the uk. It is the thing I look forward to the most on a Monday, long may it continue."
• "I'm 28 and I've been listening to you for 4 years. I've always heard you talk about prageru but I never actually visited the site. 4 days ago I decided to finally check it out and from then until now, I have watched every video you have on thete and have even had 2 friends who have started to learn from there as well. The videos are very informative and keeps you wanting more. To anyone who was like me and has yet to go to the site, I strongly advise you try it out, you won't be disappointed. Thank you Mr. Prager for all your good doing. Manny"

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• "I used to be a communist, but thanks to PragerU, I am now a conservative"
• "From radical leftie to an open-minded critical thinker, and I owe it all to you."

Yeah, PragerU is an unbiased source on how good PragerU is.

Strange how their reviews just rave about them and never saying anything bad

[Washington Resistance Army]

You're better than this, stop.

Crowder has propagated the Bell Curve and the whole "western civilization" dogwhistle. He's massively bigoted against pretty much every minority imaginable. I am not sure what you find objectionable about my claim.

One can be an ass and possibly a racist without being a fascist. As much as some might dislike it that word actually has meaning, and Crowder sure as shit is not one.

[Diopolis]

You're better than this, stop.

Crowder has propagated the Bell Curve and the whole "western civilization" dogwhistle. He's massively bigoted against pretty much every minority imaginable. I am not sure what you find objectionable about my claim.

"Being a bigot" is not synonymous with "being a fascist".

[Thermodolia]

You're better than this, stop.

Crowder has propagated the Bell Curve and the whole "western civilization" dogwhistle. He's massively bigoted against pretty much every minority imaginable. I am not sure what you find objectionable about my claim.

So he’s a racist. That still doesn’t mean he’s a fascist. There’s a shit ton of non-fascist racists in the world

[Wallenburg]

You're better than this, stop.

Racist, perhaps. Fascist, nah. Sympathizer? Perhaps.

If you want to make a distinction between someone who truly believes in fascism and someone who simply furthers fascism because it's profitable and easy, go ahead. Both kinds of people are equally dangerous and condemnable.

[Great Algerstonia]

You're better than this, stop.

Crowder has propagated the Bell Curve and the whole "western civilization" dogwhistle. He's massively bigoted against pretty much every minority imaginable. I am not sure what you find objectionable about my claim.

That isn’t fascism, that’s racism. Not all facsists are racists and not all racists are fascists.

[Rojava Free State]

You can be both a leftist and an open-minded critical thinker. It just so happens that I am both.

I myself am a leftist but I'm anti authoritarian and think people have a right to disagree with me without being subjected to violence and hate. People seem to think leftist equals dictator and right wing equals freedom (or vica versa) but the political compass is more like a square than a straight line, with a line between left and right intersected by a line between authoritarian and liberterian. I'm slightly left but extremely authortian

[Highever]

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• "PragerU, unfortunately, didn't exist until AFTER I graduated college, but since listening it has helped clarify some of my views and gives me a better perspective on why I believe what I believe. It has equipped me to better articulate my values to my peers and for that I am forever grateful."
• "I'm left of center, yet look forward to each new video. I'm in complete agreement with your views on morality, and common sense life advice. Even the videos I disagree with, I like, because they make me scratch my head."
• "As a high school student in the Chicago area, I have had liberal views forced upon me in education and by my peers ever since I was a child. Thanks to PragerU that I am able to understand the truth and educate others correctly."
• "PragerU has opened my eyes to so many things. It's clear and concise way of explaining things has supplied me with the arguments I need to take on the left in the uk. It is the thing I look forward to the most on a Monday, long may it continue."
• "I'm 28 and I've been listening to you for 4 years. I've always heard you talk about prageru but I never actually visited the site. 4 days ago I decided to finally check it out and from then until now, I have watched every video you have on thete and have even had 2 friends who have started to learn from there as well. The videos are very informative and keeps you wanting more. To anyone who was like me and has yet to go to the site, I strongly advise you try it out, you won't be disappointed. Thank you Mr. Prager for all your good doing. Manny"

PragerU Impact Report (last page):

• "I used to be a communist, but thanks to PragerU, I am now a conservative"
• "From radical leftie to an open-minded critical thinker, and I owe it all to you."

Yeah, PragerU is an unbiased source on how good PragerU is.

Who woulda thunk.

[Diopolis]

You can be both a leftist and an open-minded critical thinker. It just so happens that I am both.

I myself am a leftist but I'm anti authoritarian and think people have a right to disagree with me without being subjected to violence and hate. People seem to think leftist equals dictator and right wing equals freedom (or vica versa) but the political compass is more like a square than a straight line, with a line between left and right intersected by a line between authoritarian and liberterian. I'm slightly left but extremely authortian

Really to graph political beliefs accurately you'd need an x,y, and z axis.

[United States of Devonta]

You can be both a leftist and an open-minded critical thinker. It just so happens that I am both.

I myself am a leftist but I'm anti authoritarian and think people have a right to disagree with me without being subjected to violence and hate. People seem to think leftist equals dictator and right wing equals freedom (or vica versa) but the political compass is more like a square than a straight line, with a line between left and right intersected by a line between authoritarian and liberterian. I'm slightly left but extremely authortian

I assume its a typo, but your first and last sentences highly contradict each other.

[United Pishon Edenic Union]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-senators-want-antifa-activists-to-be-labeled-domestic-terrorists-heres-what-that-means/ar-AAECtvK?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=spartanntp

Two Republican senators have introduced a nonbinding resolution that would label antifascists — known as antifa — as “domestic terrorists,” doubling down against radical activists who have drawn criticism from conservatives and President Trump.

“Antifa are terrorists, violent masked bullies who ‘fight fascism’ with actual fascism, protected by Liberal privilege,” Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) said in a statement. “Bullies get their way until someone says no. Elected officials must have courage, not cowardice, to prevent terror.”

Hina Shamsi, director of the national security project at the American Civil Liberties Union, told The Washington Post that she opposes labeling groups as domestic terrorists. “It is dangerous and overly broad to use labels that are disconnected [from] actual individual conduct,” she said. “And as we’ve seen how ‘terrorism’ has been used already in this country, any such scheme raises significant due process, equal protection and First Amendment constitutional concerns.”

Designating a group as a domestic terrorist organization expands law enforcement’s ability to investigate it. The label also means that police can not only investigate a specific suspect, but also look into groups that person affiliates with, Neal Katyal, a Georgetown University law professor and former national security adviser, told NPR.

Similar concerns may be the reason the federal government does not make public an official list of domestic terrorist groups, Jerome Bjelopera, a specialist in organized crime and terrorism, wrote in a Congressional Research Service report. The government does include domestic and international terrorists on its terrorist watch list, Bjelopera wrote.

So, as the article says, two republican senators want Antifa declared a terrorist organization.

Personally, I couldn't be more happy about this. Finally taking action against these left-wing versions of the white supremacists is long overdue. While I'm just as anti-supremacist as the next guy, Antifa's not much better, given their blatant lack of respect for the police force, veterans, and anyone who isn't on the left.

Thoughts, NSG?

We must offer freedom for these musunderstood people. As followers of Edenics, we kniw only too well that people disagree with a thought. As such, we are offering transportatioon to our country.

[Thermodolia]

Racist, perhaps. Fascist, nah. Sympathizer? Perhaps.

If you want to make a distinction between someone who truly believes in fascism and someone who simply furthers fascism because it's profitable and easy, go ahead. Both kinds of people are equally dangerous and condemnable.

Crowder is a dumb racist idiot. But he’s not a fascist. Is he a pawn in the fascists quest for power? Possibly

[Rojava Free State]

I myself am a leftist but I'm anti authoritarian and think people have a right to disagree with me without being subjected to violence and hate. People seem to think leftist equals dictator and right wing equals freedom (or vica versa) but the political compass is more like a square than a straight line, with a line between left and right intersected by a line between authoritarian and liberterian. I'm slightly left but extremely authortian

I assume its a typo, but your first and last sentences highly contradict each other.

DOH! I meant anti authoritarian ugh

[Hatterleigh]

Antifa aren't terrorists, and labeling them as such sets a dangerous precedent. They can be violent criminals, and if members of Antifa commit vandalism and violent crimes they should be prosecuted and dealt with by the law. Calling them all terrorists is probably a step too far.

It really isn't. All the time they say "Make racists afraid again" and they aren't exactly looking to convert people peacefully to their cause. Fits the definition of terrorism. That being said, antifa isn't exactly a single organization, and terrorism is actually a pretty vague term

[Wallenburg]

If you want to make a distinction between someone who truly believes in fascism and someone who simply furthers fascism because it's profitable and easy, go ahead. Both kinds of people are equally dangerous and condemnable.

Crowder is a dumb racist idiot. But he’s not a fascist. Is he a pawn in the fascists quest for power? Possibly

Almost certainly, in my opinion. He platforms Stefan Molyneaux ffs.

[Hatterleigh]

If you want to make a distinction between someone who truly believes in fascism and someone who simply furthers fascism because it's profitable and easy, go ahead. Both kinds of people are equally dangerous and condemnable.

Crowder is a dumb racist idiot. But he’s not a fascist. Is he a pawn in the fascists quest for power? Possibly

Fascists hate crowder. He's controlled opposition. Fascists are big gatekeepers

[Strahcoin]

Since when did PragerU host actual fascists? Dennis Prager, founder of PragerU, is an Orthodox Jew. He strongly opposes fascism. In this video, Prager condemns Nazism.

Yes, they host fascists. For example, Steven Crowder. Also, being an Orthodox Jew and being a fascist are far from mutually exclusive. In fact, the more orthodox and zionist Jews tend to be more fascist.

And while fascists did murder other socialists, that doesn't mean fascists aren't socialists. Socialists believe in a government-controlled economy and overthrowing the bourgeoisie. Fascists believe in a government-controlled economy and overthrowing those from stronger, wealthier nations.

Socialists believe in dismantling the socioeconomic hierarchies that oppress the workers and various other persecuted groups. Fascists believe in reinforcing hierarchies to benefit an ever-narrower corner of their society, such that the weakest and most vulnerable elements of society are considered worthy of death.

PragerU actually enlightened me. Here's a tip: Start watching Prager with an open mind and you'll be a thousand times more proficient at debate. Even if you still disagree with it, at least you'll understand the conservative ideology. That is the point of debate.

To open my mind to fucking PragerU is to lower my defenses against counterfactual, bigoted, and globally destructive propaganda. No thank you. Find a legitimate authority to support your arguments next time. Or, better yet, defend your arguments yourself.

Trump is a genius. His outspoken rhetoric got him elected. It triggered the Democrat Party. It showed the Americans how deceptive the fake news media was.

When Trump makes a simple joke, the media twist it to match their thoughts. The media then reports it a lot, gaining Trump some coverage, while making the fake news media continue losing support. So, Trump made lots of simple jokes for the media to twist.

Trump literally speaks like a child, doesn't know how key elements of his government work, can't pay attention for as much as 10 seconds, and whines about the media when they show everyone a fraction of how stupid he is. He has failed his way through his businesses, and he's failing his way through the presidency.

It's more than just the name. The actual ideology of fascism matches more with that of the far-left than it does to that of the far-right. Overthrowing the oppressors, willingly surrendering the person to the state, assaulting anyone who doesn't conform to the beliefs, etc.

Fascism is literally about installing oppressors, not overthrowing them. Far-leftism across the fucking board believes in the total dissolution of the state, not "willingly surrendering the person to the state". The facts of political speech show that the left has had its speech suppressed far more than the right.

Granted, Nazis may hold national identity crucial. However, their reasoning for this is to overthrow the stronger, wealthier nations (similar to how Marxism involves overthrowing the bourgeoisie).

Marxism also involves overthrowing the concept of a state at all. You don't build a totalitarian state and empire-build to do that.

Conservatives value national identity to reduce racial/sexual discrimination, while Nazis use it to further discrimination.

LMAO

Nazi: "If you're not a native-born like me, you are different, and I cannot connect with you. I don't care if you're a law-abiding citizen of the same nation as me."
Conservative: "What does it matter whether you're white or black, male or female - you're a law-abiding American, just like me, and that connects us together."

I have never encountered a conservative that actually believes that. If they existed, Trump's comments about Democratic congresswomen would have gotten him convicted in the Senate by now.

1. Calling Steven Crowder a fascist is like calling the Black Hole "white". Nothing could be farther from the truth.
2. Then why did Hitler and the Nazis violate the Treaty of Versailles and attack Britain and France?
3. And that's why nobody could debate a leftist...
4. Trump is not failing. He's thriving. Look at the unemployment numbers. Look at the wall being built at the border. Frankly, the politicians of the Democrat Party seem to "whine" about Trump and conservatives significantly more. And as for Trump unable to focus for a long time, neither can the American people. Trump connects with us, and he doesn't pretend to be intellectually better than us.
5. Does that mean laissez-faire capitalism and right-libertarianism are left-wing ideologies?
6. Well, who's going to make sure the "bourgeoisie" don't rise and "seize the means of production" from the laborers?
7. I've never heard of a Nazi who wishes to reduce discrimination.
8. Uh, hello. Also, freedom of speech - we may not agree with it, but we must accept it. (Besides, what was the quote? I don't think it was that bad.)

[Rojava Free State]

Antifa aren't terrorists, and labeling them as such sets a dangerous precedent. They can be violent criminals, and if members of Antifa commit vandalism and violent crimes they should be prosecuted and dealt with by the law. Calling them all terrorists is probably a step too far.

It really isn't. All the time they say "Make racists afraid again" and they aren't exactly looking to convert people peacefully to their cause. Fits the definition of terrorism. That being said, antifa isn't exactly a single organization, and terrorism is actually a pretty vague term

Antifa is technically a terror group but operates more like a teenage criminal street gang, with baseball bats, knives and rocks and bottles and a tendency to loot and vandalize stores