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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:49 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Read linky, make better arguments.

It is a Trump propaganda site. Not every fact there is going to be accurate. He did do some good things, but that man far from walks on water.

I've never said he did. He isn't the great satan either, however.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:51 pm

A few people associated with a broad tent like ANTIFA do a few asinine things and they're domestic terrorists, but the alt-right gets a free pass when it comes to actual murders and calls for genocide.

Sounds about right, fucking christ.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:59 pm

Major-Tom wrote:A few people associated with a broad tent like ANTIFA do a few asinine things and they're domestic terrorists, but the alt-right gets a free pass when it comes to actual murders and calls for genocide.

Sounds about right, fucking christ.

The alt-right is rightfully condemned by many, and we have alt-right murderers in prison.
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Postby Strahcoin » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:00 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:
  • Reduced unemployment levels to record lows
  • Defeated ISIS
  • Lowered taxes
  • Started building the wall and consequently protecting honest American citizens from illegal immigrants
  • Did not attempt to appease the fake news media
  • ...And more, all while donating nearly all of his salary from being president.

There's a list here, in case you're curious.


>Defeated ISIS

:rofl:

>Lowered Taxes

For the rich. The average American hasn't actually benefited from the Cut Cut Cut Act.

>Started building The Wall

Uh, no, he hasn't, but keep telling yourself that.

>Did not attempt to appease the fake news media

If by that you mean screamed like a spoiled toddler every time some outlet said anything even slightly negative about him.

So no, not a whole lot to be worth repsecting.

1. Seriously, he has. While he hasn't obliterated every member of ISIS, he has certainly defeated them and liberated the territory they occupied.
2. My family is somewhere in the middle-class. My father said taxes have been lowered by Trump, even though it wasn't perfect. (Also, about half of Congress, the entity that writes the tax codes, is dominated by left-wing Democrats, so that would explain why income taxes aren't flat yet.) Moreover, the "rich" (aka those who work hard) were unfairly taxed before.
3. Then how do you explain this?
4. That "screaming like a spoiled toddler" is precisely why the hard-working Americans voted for him. They wanted someone who consistently spoke the truth from his heart, not someone who pretends to care for the people while accepting and paying dirty money to look good. (And must I say that CNN/MSNBC are the true screamers?)

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Read linky, make better arguments.

It is a Trump propaganda site. Not every fact there is going to be accurate. He did do some good things, but that man far from walks on water.

The good things he did solved critical issues at the time. Also, remember that Congress has to write most of the bills before Trump passes them. Therefore, lots of negotiations were necessary.

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Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:At least he made peace with North Korea, the boogeyman of our time.

It won't last as there really wasn't a deal. He also seems to love Kim's dictatorial rule, which is not a characteristic that should be welcomed in a U.S. President.

I'm not entirely sure where you got that idea (probably from the fake news media), but Trump does not in any way love Kim's dictatorial rule. The peace was achieved through a show of strength. After all, Trump wasn't the one who paid money to Kim in hopes he would stop. Instead, in response to Kim threatening the United States, Trump countered that brilliantly - saying that he had a bigger button, which works. While some may call this tweet "risky", it actually scared the North Korean dictator into asking for negotiations; after all, our military is superior, and they don't want to risk a war against us while we're strong.

Here's an analogy: North Korea is the bully. America pre-2017 was the victim. America now is the victim willing to stand up for itself.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:01 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:A few people associated with a broad tent like ANTIFA do a few asinine things and they're domestic terrorists, but the alt-right gets a free pass when it comes to actual murders and calls for genocide.

Sounds about right, fucking christ.

The alt-right is rightfully condemned by many, and we have alt-right murderers in prison.


When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:07 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
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>Defeated ISIS

:rofl:

>Lowered Taxes

For the rich. The average American hasn't actually benefited from the Cut Cut Cut Act.

>Started building The Wall

Uh, no, he hasn't, but keep telling yourself that.

>Did not attempt to appease the fake news media

If by that you mean screamed like a spoiled toddler every time some outlet said anything even slightly negative about him.

So no, not a whole lot to be worth repsecting.

1. Seriously, he has. While he hasn't obliterated every member of ISIS, he has certainly defeated them and liberated the territory they occupied.
2. My family is somewhere in the middle-class. My father said taxes have been lowered by Trump, even though it wasn't perfect. (Also, about half of Congress, the entity that writes the tax codes, is dominated by left-wing Democrats, so that would explain why income taxes aren't flat yet.) Moreover, the "rich" (aka those who work hard) were unfairly taxed before.
3. Then how do you explain this?
4. That "screaming like a spoiled toddler" is precisely why the hard-working Americans voted for him. They wanted someone who consistently spoke the truth from his heart, not someone who pretends to care for the people while accepting and paying dirty money to look good. (And must I say that CNN/MSNBC are the true screamers?)

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It is a Trump propaganda site. Not every fact there is going to be accurate. He did do some good things, but that man far from walks on water.

The good things he did solved critical issues at the time. Also, remember that Congress has to write most of the bills before Trump passes them. Therefore, lots of negotiations were necessary.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It won't last as there really wasn't a deal. He also seems to love Kim's dictatorial rule, which is not a characteristic that should be welcomed in a U.S. President.

I'm not entirely sure where you got that idea (probably from the fake news media), but Trump does not in any way love Kim's dictatorial rule. The peace was achieved through a show of strength. After all, Trump wasn't the one who paid money to Kim in hopes he would stop. Instead, in response to Kim threatening the United States, Trump countered that brilliantly - saying that he had a bigger button, which works. While some may call this tweet "risky", it actually scared the North Korean dictator into asking for negotiations; after all, our military is superior, and they don't want to risk a war against us while we're strong.

Here's an analogy: North Korea is the bully. America pre-2017 was the victim. America now is the victim willing to stand up for itself.

I am well aware of Trump's tweets against "rocket man." After the summit however, Trump seems to developed an affinity for the dictator.
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Postby Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:11 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:1. Seriously, he has. While he hasn't obliterated every member of ISIS, he has certainly defeated them and liberated the territory they occupied.
2. My family is somewhere in the middle-class. My father said taxes have been lowered by Trump, even though it wasn't perfect. (Also, about half of Congress, the entity that writes the tax codes, is dominated by left-wing Democrats, so that would explain why income taxes aren't flat yet.) Moreover, the "rich" (aka those who work hard) were unfairly taxed before.
3. Then how do you explain this?
4. That "screaming like a spoiled toddler" is precisely why the hard-working Americans voted for him. They wanted someone who consistently spoke the truth from his heart, not someone who pretends to care for the people while accepting and paying dirty money to look good. (And must I say that CNN/MSNBC are the true screamers?)


The good things he did solved critical issues at the time. Also, remember that Congress has to write most of the bills before Trump passes them. Therefore, lots of negotiations were necessary.


I'm not entirely sure where you got that idea (probably from the fake news media), but Trump does not in any way love Kim's dictatorial rule. The peace was achieved through a show of strength. After all, Trump wasn't the one who paid money to Kim in hopes he would stop. Instead, in response to Kim threatening the United States, Trump countered that brilliantly - saying that he had a bigger button, which works. While some may call this tweet "risky", it actually scared the North Korean dictator into asking for negotiations; after all, our military is superior, and they don't want to risk a war against us while we're strong.

Here's an analogy: North Korea is the bully. America pre-2017 was the victim. America now is the victim willing to stand up for itself.

I am well aware of Trump's tweets against "rocket man." After the summit however, Trump seems to developed an affinity for the dictator.

Not to mention the claim he "beat" ISIS is just downright laughable. The fight against them has been going on since the beginning of the mileneum against numerous nations across the globe but, sure, he can come on in and claim credit if he wants. Nevermind the fact that they arent defested in the first place, only the lands they officially control have been mostly retaken. They are still alive and well as an insurgency.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:54 pm

Major-Tom wrote:A few people associated with a broad tent like ANTIFA do a few asinine things and they're domestic terrorists, but the alt-right gets a free pass when it comes to actual murders and calls for genocide.

Sounds about right, fucking christ.

The "alt-right" is even less organized and clearly defined than Antifa. We've left "general template for a street gang" territory and entered "Oprah Winfrey giving out prizes" territory.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:58 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:A few people associated with a broad tent like ANTIFA do a few asinine things and they're domestic terrorists, but the alt-right gets a free pass when it comes to actual murders and calls for genocide.

Sounds about right, fucking christ.

The "alt-right" is even less organized and clearly defined than Antifa. We've left "general template for a street gang" territory and entered "Oprah Winfrey giving out prizes" territory.

The Proud Boys have charter and ranks and a leader, well, I think they've switch to multiple leaders since they ditched McInnes.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:59 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:The "alt-right" is even less organized and clearly defined than Antifa. We've left "general template for a street gang" territory and entered "Oprah Winfrey giving out prizes" territory.

The Proud Boys have charter and ranks and a leader, well, I think they've switch to multiple leaders since they ditched McInnes.

The Proud Boys are not equivalent to the entire general concept of the "alt-right".
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:02 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The Proud Boys have charter and ranks and a leader, well, I think they've switch to multiple leaders since they ditched McInnes.

The Proud Boys are not equivalent to the general concept of the "alt-right".

Yup. Just a very definitely organised street gang.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:03 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:The Proud Boys are not equivalent to the general concept of the "alt-right".

Yup. Just a very definitely organised street gang.

You missed the entire point and meaning of my post by an entire astronomical unit, congratulations.

Do you even have a point here, or are you just throwing shit at the wall?
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Postby Strahcoin » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:06 pm

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The alt-right is rightfully condemned by many, and we have alt-right murderers in prison.


When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.

The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:1. Seriously, he has. While he hasn't obliterated every member of ISIS, he has certainly defeated them and liberated the territory they occupied.
2. My family is somewhere in the middle-class. My father said taxes have been lowered by Trump, even though it wasn't perfect. (Also, about half of Congress, the entity that writes the tax codes, is dominated by left-wing Democrats, so that would explain why income taxes aren't flat yet.) Moreover, the "rich" (aka those who work hard) were unfairly taxed before.
3. Then how do you explain this?
4. That "screaming like a spoiled toddler" is precisely why the hard-working Americans voted for him. They wanted someone who consistently spoke the truth from his heart, not someone who pretends to care for the people while accepting and paying dirty money to look good. (And must I say that CNN/MSNBC are the true screamers?)


The good things he did solved critical issues at the time. Also, remember that Congress has to write most of the bills before Trump passes them. Therefore, lots of negotiations were necessary.


I'm not entirely sure where you got that idea (probably from the fake news media), but Trump does not in any way love Kim's dictatorial rule. The peace was achieved through a show of strength. After all, Trump wasn't the one who paid money to Kim in hopes he would stop. Instead, in response to Kim threatening the United States, Trump countered that brilliantly - saying that he had a bigger button, which works. While some may call this tweet "risky", it actually scared the North Korean dictator into asking for negotiations; after all, our military is superior, and they don't want to risk a war against us while we're strong.

Here's an analogy: North Korea is the bully. America pre-2017 was the victim. America now is the victim willing to stand up for itself.

I am well aware of Trump's tweets against "rocket man." After the summit however, Trump seems to developed an affinity for the dictator.

Wait, I thought world peace was good...

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I am well aware of Trump's tweets against "rocket man." After the summit however, Trump seems to developed an affinity for the dictator.

Not to mention the claim he "beat" ISIS is just downright laughable. The fight against them has been going on since the beginning of the mileneum against numerous nations across the globe but, sure, he can come on in and claim credit if he wants. Nevermind the fact that they arent defested in the first place, only the lands they officially control have been mostly retaken. They are still alive and well as an insurgency.

ISIS members still remain, but Trump has done so well that ISIS is effectively "defeated". While eliminating ISIS altogether would be ideal, the fact that Trump has gotten far closer than presidents before him is applaudable by itself.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:23 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.

The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I am well aware of Trump's tweets against "rocket man." After the summit however, Trump seems to developed an affinity for the dictator.

Wait, I thought world peace was good...

Highever wrote:Not to mention the claim he "beat" ISIS is just downright laughable. The fight against them has been going on since the beginning of the mileneum against numerous nations across the globe but, sure, he can come on in and claim credit if he wants. Nevermind the fact that they arent defested in the first place, only the lands they officially control have been mostly retaken. They are still alive and well as an insurgency.

ISIS members still remain, but Trump has done so well that ISIS is effectively "defeated". While eliminating ISIS altogether would be ideal, the fact that Trump has gotten far closer than presidents before him is applaudable by itself.

You can have peace without saying you effectively love Kim. That is a stupid excuse.
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Postby Strahcoin » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:28 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...


Wait, I thought world peace was good...


ISIS members still remain, but Trump has done so well that ISIS is effectively "defeated". While eliminating ISIS altogether would be ideal, the fact that Trump has gotten far closer than presidents before him is applaudable by itself.

You can have peace without saying you effectively love Kim. That is a stupid excuse.

Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.
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Postby Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:33 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You can have peace without saying you effectively love Kim. That is a stupid excuse.

Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

Yeah sure that's what it is, just a very long, very deep cover joke.
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Strahcoin wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.

The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...

Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:37 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.

The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...


Pro-tip: stop watching Prager and you'll become a hundred times more proficient at debate.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:37 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You can have peace without saying you effectively love Kim. That is a stupid excuse.

Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

He talks out of his ass, without thinking.
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Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:At least he made peace with North Korea, the boogeyman of our time.

It won't last as there really wasn't a deal. He also seems to love Kim's dictatorial rule, which is not a characteristic that should be welcomed in a U.S. President.

I don't care about what Trump thinks of some foreignstani leader. He's gotten us peace in a conflict we badly mishandled from the beginning. That alone earns my respect.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:51 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

He talks out of his ass, without thinking.

That's true. Trump speaks in a really stupid manner almost by intention. As if he wants to get people to think he's dumb.
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Postby Lanoraie II » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:52 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Zupruicor wrote:Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Irreparable damage? Last I heard the alleged journalist was well enough the next day to do TV interviews.


You heard wrong. He has brain damage and is having trouble with memory issues and speaking slowly. Not to mention emotional scars.
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Postby Seythennia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:53 pm

Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration.

The alt-right is so loosely defined that it's almost impossible to assign any beliefs to it as a whole. It's basically a blanket covering anything from "I'm proud of Confederate history" to "Hitler didn't do enough". Those four beliefs you mentioned are more popular in the latter, who are of course the most vocal of the alt-right.
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Postby Distance Running » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:59 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The alt-right is rightfully condemned by many, and we have alt-right murderers in prison.


When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.


Enough eisegesis of that line. Trump said there were "fine people on both sides" of the issue of tearing down the Confederate statue (anyone who denies this is not worth the air they breath, much less your time) and directly condemned the white supremacists. If you are using "far right" as a euphemism for "racist", you are guilty of circular reasoning.

The alt-right has never gotten a pass, while Antifa's misdeeds have been buried to the utmost of the lefties' abilities.

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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:59 pm

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You can have peace without saying you effectively love Kim. That is a stupid excuse.

Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

Starting to believe this guy's a satirical account like Hiddenrun.
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