We aren’t the best nation on earth. The US is a great nation but there are many ways in which we can be better
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by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:36 am
by Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:37 am
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Highever wrote:I would say it isnt debateable at all that it is certainly not THE best in the world. It's in the top like, 10 sure, but hardly the best.
Sorry, I am very patriotic. But my belief stands. If you are in the US you should love her. You may not always agree with her, like I disagreed with Clinton Bush and Obama but I still loved the United States.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Israeli Commonwealth » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:37 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:37 am
by Israeli Commonwealth » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:38 am
Highever wrote:Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Sorry, I am very patriotic. But my belief stands. If you are in the US you should love her. You may not always agree with her, like I disagreed with Clinton Bush and Obama but I still loved the United States.
To blindly and nonsensically say it is perfect and the best and not acknowledge its flaws in order to work to fix them and improve the nation is the opposite of loving the country really.
by Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:38 am
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Pacomia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:39 am
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Highever wrote:To blindly and nonsensically say it is perfect and the best and not acknowledge its flaws in order to work to fix them and improve the nation is the opposite of loving the country really.
No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.
by Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:40 am
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Highever wrote:To blindly and nonsensically say it is perfect and the best and not acknowledge its flaws in order to work to fix them and improve the nation is the opposite of loving the country really.
No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:40 am
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Highever wrote:I would say it isnt debateable at all that it is certainly not THE best in the world. It's in the top like, 10 sure, but hardly the best.
Sorry, I am very patriotic. But my belief stands. If you are in the US you should love her. You may not always agree with her, like I disagreed with Clinton Bush and Obama but I still loved the United States.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:41 am
by Pacomia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:41 am
Thermodolia wrote:Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Sorry, I am very patriotic. But my belief stands. If you are in the US you should love her. You may not always agree with her, like I disagreed with Clinton Bush and Obama but I still loved the United States.
That doesn’t mean you need to go around with rose-tinted glasses, thinking that everything is 100% fine. And no you don’t need to live the US just not hate it
by Israeli Commonwealth » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:41 am
Pacomia wrote:Israeli Commonwealth wrote:No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.
Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?
by Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:41 am
Pacomia wrote:Israeli Commonwealth wrote:No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.
Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Leninist Haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:42 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Grenartia wrote:As an antifascist (as all truly moral and ethical people should be), this is simply a transparent attempt to eliminate political opposition. First its us, tomorrow it will be the rest of you.
Also, how the fuck can antifa be a "terrorist organization" when its not even a fucking organization?
I agree, everyone ought to oppose Fascism, but Antifa's philosophy is not just opposition to Fascism, it is an opposition to Fascism by any means necessary, a philosophy that's not immoral or unethical to not hold.
Also, much of Antifa's broad stroke accusations of Fascism also reek of attempting to eliminate political opposition. Much of Antifa seems to think "Fascist" and "conservative" are synonyms.Grenartia wrote:DI just likes to take any opportunity to "dunk" on me. Plus, if memory serves, she's one of those unironic Nazbol types, so of course she'd think opposing fascism is a bad thing.
From what I know of DI's beliefs, calling her an "unironic NazBol" is quite dishonest.
by Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:42 am
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Pacomia wrote:Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?
The IRA? I support Irish Independence. I do not support the car bombings and killing of civilians. I do support the conventional attacks that USED to occur before the IRA went left wing.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:43 am
by Pacomia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:43 am
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Pacomia wrote:Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?
The IRA? I support Irish Independence. I do not support the car bombings and killing of civilians. I do support the conventional attacks that USED to occur before the IRA went left wing.
by Estanglia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:43 am
Vassenor wrote:Estanglia wrote:Antifa is not one organisation - at best, it's a group of organisations all with one goal (stop fascism), with some people involved who aren't affiliated with any particular anti-fascist group. Labelling the entire thing a domestic terrorist organisation, because of how loosely organised it is, could lead to non-Antifa antifascists (e.g nonviolent antifascists, antifascists who aren't part of an antifascist organisation, etc) getting treated as domestic terrorists, or violent antifascists not getting labelled domestic terrorists because they're not part of whatever Antifa is considered.
If it's an individual antifascist group that is being labelled domestic terrorists, then it depends on their conduct.
That's what makes this a transparent attempt to ban protests.
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by Pacomia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:44 am
Thermodolia wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:What nations would you say are better? Certainly not the UK.
Depends on what the classification is. If it’s about corruption then NZ is the best, if it’s about happy citizens then it’s Costa Rica, if it’s about gun rights it’s the US.
The idea that there’s one single best nation in the world is just bullshit as what someone thinks is the best is subjective
by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:44 am
Pacomia wrote:Israeli Commonwealth wrote:No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.
Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?
by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 am
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Pacomia wrote:Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?
The IRA? I support Irish Independence. I do not support the car bombings and killing of civilians. I do support the conventional attacks that USED to occur before the IRA went left wing.
by Pacomia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 am
Vassenor wrote:Estanglia wrote:Antifa is not one organisation - at best, it's a group of organisations all with one goal (stop fascism), with some people involved who aren't affiliated with any particular anti-fascist group. Labelling the entire thing a domestic terrorist organisation, because of how loosely organised it is, could lead to non-Antifa antifascists (e.g nonviolent antifascists, antifascists who aren't part of an antifascist organisation, etc) getting treated as domestic terrorists, or violent antifascists not getting labelled domestic terrorists because they're not part of whatever Antifa is considered.
If it's an individual antifascist group that is being labelled domestic terrorists, then it depends on their conduct.
That's what makes this a transparent attempt to ban protests.
by Israeli Commonwealth » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:46 am
Thermodolia wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:What nations would you say are better? Certainly not the UK.
Depends on what the classification is. If it’s about corruption then NZ is the best, if it’s about happy citizens then it’s Costa Rica, if it’s about gun rights it’s the US.
The idea that there’s one single best nation in the world is just bullshit as what someone thinks is the best is subjective
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