Berkley to cease using gendered language like "manhole"

[Cappuccina]

If it doesn't matter why change it?

It's Berkeley. Does it matter if they do change it? It's not as if they'll be handing out tickets to people who say "manhole" within the city limits. There is a difference between a mountain and a molehill. This is the latter, why waste your energy trying to make it into the former?

They're trying to socially condition people to be misandrists though language. Don't say words with man in them men are the big bad.

[The Two Jerseys]

Isn’t manhole a shortening of “manual access”; etymology for ‘hand’ as in the word ‘manual’?

Never thought of it that way. A manhole is a hole a man goes down to do maintenance. *shrug* Why does it even matter what word is used?

Because they're replacing a word that has a specific meaning with a generic term that has additional meanings, which can create problems down the road.

[Farnhamia]

It's Berkeley. Does it matter if they do change it? It's not as if they'll be handing out tickets to people who say "manhole" within the city limits. There is a difference between a mountain and a molehill. This is the latter, why waste your energy trying to make it into the former?

They're trying to socially condition people to be misandrists though language. Don't say words with man in them men are the big bad.

Darn, you found us out. I told the girls on the committee the manhole thing was too early.

[Kowani]

It's Berkeley. Does it matter if they do change it? It's not as if they'll be handing out tickets to people who say "manhole" within the city limits. There is a difference between a mountain and a molehill. This is the latter, why waste your energy trying to make it into the former?

They're trying to socially condition people to be misandrists though language. Don't say words with man in them men are the big bad.

“Socially condition” Who the fuck actually reads city maintenance codes, much less bases their opinion off of them?

[Ordenstaat Burgundy]

They're trying to socially condition people to be misandrists though language. Don't say words with man in them men are the big bad.

Darn, you found us out. I told the girls on the committee the manhole thing was too early.

So you admit it?! They told me I was mad, but I knew it was a conspiracy to make people into misandrists!

Jokes aside...It's not a big deal perse, but I really don't get why it's something that needs to be celebrated or publicized as widely as it has been. It just seems like in this day and age it's honestly a fairly minor/insignificant issue.

[Cappuccina]

They're trying to socially condition people to be misandrists though language. Don't say words with man in them men are the big bad.

“Socially condition” Who the fuck actually reads city maintenance codes, much less bases their opinion off of them?

Then why change the words in the first place? Why change the terminology if there's no reason to do so?

[EastKekistan]

Cats rule over humans who rule over dogs. So yeah let's use "cat" as a pronoun and as a gender-neutral term for humans.

In that case, why not use dolphin? The dolphins rule all of us. Without Roxanne there'd be no Zeus. The most famous dolphin, Flipper, brought joy to all. The most famous cat is grumpy by definition. And dolphins don't kill off entire species of birds either. Dolphin Power! Dolphin Rights!

They already gave us Aaron Rodgers, they've fulfilled their purpose.

Time to push it into the sea.

Oh San Francisco, passing on Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. How's that going for ya? Oh right, you had Colin Kaepernick

Okay. This is really of zero importance. Anyone who thinks this is a bad thing is looking to be offended.

I'm laughing that their claim is that the word "MAN" is discriminates against women, and yet they're using "huMAN rights" instead of "People's Rights" as an example.

Well, I think cats are more popular than dolphins. Moreover cats actually rule over humans and in particular soc lib humans. So I guess if libs want some change they will be fine with cat terms.

[Kowani]

“Socially condition” Who the fuck actually reads city maintenance codes, much less bases their opinion off of them?

Then why change the words in the first place? Why change the terminology if there's no reason to do so?

There is no reason not to be inclusive, regardless of the level.

[Farnhamia]

“Socially condition” Who the fuck actually reads city maintenance codes, much less bases their opinion off of them?

Then why change the words in the first place? Why change the terminology if there's no reason to do so?

It's Berkeley. Do you really think there's a conspiracy to make everyone hate men, even including men themselves?

[Cannot think of a name]

“Socially condition” Who the fuck actually reads city maintenance codes, much less bases their opinion off of them?

Then why change the words in the first place? Why change the terminology if there's no reason to do so?

Why not? The term was too specific, some official paperwork will have a new name...what's been lost, exactly? Why give a shit if the name is changed? What are we clinging to? 'Cause I gotta tell you, as a man...not really threatened that 'man' won't be part of the name.

[Cappuccina]

Then why change the words in the first place? Why change the terminology if there's no reason to do so?

There is no reason not to be inclusive, regardless of the level.

I.e, the change is ideologically motivated. Extend feminist misandry to even the most trivial corner of society.

[EastKekistan]

There is no reason not to be inclusive, regardless of the level.

I.e, the change is ideologically motivated. Extend feminist misandry to even the most trivial corner of society.

I think we need some felinism to counterbalance radical feminism.

[Farnhamia]

I.e, the change is ideologically motivated. Extend feminist misandry to even the most trivial corner of society.

I think we need some felinism to counterbalance radical feminism.

That's nice. Move along, lest someone think you're spamming the thread.

[Kowani]

There is no reason not to be inclusive, regardless of the level.

I.e, the change is ideologically motivated. Extend feminist misandry to even the most trivial corner of society.

This is what we call fearmongering, people. Learn to recognize it.

[Recidivism]

It's Berkeley. Does it matter if they do change it? It's not as if they'll be handing out tickets to people who say "manhole" within the city limits. There is a difference between a mountain and a molehill. This is the latter, why waste your energy trying to make it into the former?

They're trying to socially condition people to be misandrists though language. Don't say words with man in them men are the big bad.

You do realize that the language change is totally gender neutral, not just male neutral, right?

Also, this does not prevent you from calling somebody a man if you know they consider themselves a man. The change is supposed to address the use of gendered terms as a general catch-all, which is exclusive.

[Wallenburg]

Isn’t manhole a shortening of “manual access”; etymology for ‘hand’ as in the word ‘manual’?

No, it's literally just man and hole put together, because men go through the hole. Any etymology authority will tell you this. I don't know where you are getting this alt-history of the word. I certainly don't see how "access" gets shortened to "hole".

[Vassenor]

“Socially condition” Who the fuck actually reads city maintenance codes, much less bases their opinion off of them?

Then why change the words in the first place? Why change the terminology if there's no reason to do so?

So what harm does this change cause?

[EastKekistan]

Then why change the words in the first place? Why change the terminology if there's no reason to do so?

So what harm does this change cause?

None other than 600 bucks and people getting concerned about continuous application of social censorship aka enforced politeness.

[Vassenor]

So what harm does this change cause?

None other than 600 bucks and people getting concerned about continuous application of social censorship aka enforced politeness.

Even though this doesn't actually bind anyone's actual speech?

[EastKekistan]

None other than 600 bucks and people getting concerned about continuous application of social censorship aka enforced politeness.

Even though this doesn't actually bind anyone's actual speech?

For now yes. However professional activists will probably do that. That isn't a trait exclusive to soc libs. Instead it is a trait of all professional activists. A trad variant of these activists will also suck so we sort of want a stalemate between the soc left and the soc right so that nobody will ever impose anything on people lol.

[Vassenor]

Even though this doesn't actually bind anyone's actual speech?

For now yes. However professional activists will probably do that. That isn't a trait exclusive to soc libs. Instead it is a trait of all professional activists. A trad variant of these activists will also suck so we sort of want a stalemate between the soc left and the soc right so that nobody will ever impose anything on people lol.

So basically this is bad because of the slippery slope that will totally happen believe me.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Isn’t manhole a shortening of “manual access”; etymology for ‘hand’ as in the word ‘manual’?

No, it's literally just man and hole put together, because men go through the hole. Any etymology authority will tell you this. I don't know where you are getting this alt-history of the word. I certainly don't see how "access" gets shortened to "hole".

That was a question, not a fact, for starters. Second, I have come across that definition before. Third, I asked the question here. It’s not alt-history in any way to ask that question.

[Recidivism]

For now yes. However professional activists will probably do that. That isn't a trait exclusive to soc libs. Instead it is a trait of all professional activists. A trad variant of these activists will also suck so we sort of want a stalemate between the soc left and the soc right so that nobody will ever impose anything on people lol.

So basically this is bad because of the slippery slope that will totally happen believe me.

Yes, that post was total drek.

[EastKekistan]

For now yes. However professional activists will probably do that. That isn't a trait exclusive to soc libs. Instead it is a trait of all professional activists. A trad variant of these activists will also suck so we sort of want a stalemate between the soc left and the soc right so that nobody will ever impose anything on people lol.

So basically this is bad because of the slippery slope that will totally happen believe me.

Either side is going to do that for that's what moral crusaders of any kind and those who pretend to be moral crusaders do.

If you allow any side to get full victory they will try to transform the entire society to fit their ideology.

Hell I can imagine what trads can do if they can get away with it. They will probably shut down Harvard, MIT and Stanford due to the absurd belief that these schools are nothing but bastions of liberalism. There is already a guy who wants to push Berkeley and its world-class research centers into the Pacific Ocean here..

Having any moralist putting their hands on STEM is awful. Libs will try to "equalize" STEM by setting up strict racial quotas and trads will simply attempt to ban STEM due to the misguided belief that it is a part of liberalism or something..

[Recidivism]

So basically this is bad because of the slippery slope that will totally happen believe me.

Either side is going to do that for that's what moral crusaders of any kind and those who pretend to be moral crusaders do.

If you allow any side to get full victory they will try to transform the entire society to fir their ideology.

So this is just a slippery slope combined with a bit of cookie-cutter centrism.