[DEFEATED] Condemn Kyrusia

[Cormactopia Prime]

I can appreciate Kyrusia wants a light-hearted condemnation, but the joke in this one comes at the expense of making Osiris look terrible, especially to anyone who doesn't realize it's a joke. I think you've gone way too heavy on the Osiris mentions in a negative light. Frankly, you've also rushed yet another SC proposal through within days instead of leaving people enough time to comment. You really need to stop doing that. It affects the quality of what you're doing, and not for the better.

I've withdrawn my approval. I don't think I'm going to counter-campaign, but I sure wouldn't blame the government of Osiris if they do.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I can appreciate Kyrusia wants a light-hearted condemnation, but the joke in this one comes at the expense of making Osiris look terrible, especially to anyone who doesn't realize it's a joke. I think you've gone way too heavy on the Osiris mentions in a negative light. Frankly, you've also rushed yet another SC proposal through within days instead of leaving people enough time to comment. You really need to stop doing that. It affects the quality of what you're doing, and not for the better.

I've withdrawn my approval. I don't think I'm going to counter-campaign, but I sure wouldn't blame the government of Osiris if they do.

Very much agreed. You have nothing to lose by letting a proposal sit for a week to soak in feedback for a situation like this. It's a saying in the GA (and maybe it has caught on amongst some here) that proposal drafting is a marathon, not a sprint.

Example, if you had waited I could have told you that this sentence:

Kyrusia's complete and utter disregard for justice as shown through their term as a Priest of Osiris, which they have used to exert their authority upon those even convicted of petty crimes by giving them unreasonably harsh sentences,

is worded poorly. You're a capable writer, but taking the time to edit and receive feedback is an important part of the process.

[Praeceps]

So on top of the lack of substance in the proposal and rushing it to vote, am I correct in understanding that there is at least one factual inaccuracy here (Kyrusia not overseeing a court case in Osiris)?

[Miss Bad Life Choices]

So on top of the lack of substance in the proposal and rushing it to vote, am I correct in understanding that there is at least one factual inaccuracy here (Kyrusia not overseeing a court case in Osiris)? :eyebrow:

You'd be correct.

Kyru definitely deserves a condemn, but it'd be really nice to not have something totally made up in his condemn :P

[Jakker]

EDIT: All he/him/his pronouns refer to the Overgoat, Kyrusia's leader, not the nation.

I am just reading this proposal in full now. Currently, I'm not fully convinced that those pronouns should be used even in reference to the argument that it is leader of the nation. Your proposal discusses how the Overgoat created the nation and it just reads to much like the player behind the nation (even with the RP language). Again, that is just my perspective and Ransium has ruled it as legal, so it is still legal at this time since it's a tie. I am also open to changing my thoughts about that.

Just to add further to my ruling of the proposal being illegal. It is okay to refer to RP leaders using pronouns:

RPed Characters - mention of in proposals:
RPed Characters can be mentioned in proposals, and gender appropriate personal pronouns can be used when referring to them. With one-person nations, the text of the resolution must make clear when it is referring to the nation and when it is referring to the person. RPed characters cited in resolutions cannot be claimed to have done anything which an RPed person cannot do

I bolded the part that makes the wording of the proposal a bit tricky for me. The author lists several actions that I am reading as OOC that the player behind the nation could only do, yet it is still referred to as the Overgoat. Therefore, it isn't clear what actually is being referred to throughout.

[Ransium]

I respectfully disagree with Jakker’s opinion on this one. I feel it’s entirely legal.

[Kranostav]

Echoing some things said on the WA discord.

How would you respond to someone saying that this proposal lacks content and doesn't meet the bar for what a typical condemnation should require? To keep it 'lighthearted' and leave out information seems like a weird reason to understate certain items of a players career, especially if everyone would still vote to condemn based on the various things that were omitted.

What is a typical condemnation?

Well generally the typical condemnation does its best to not provide inaccurate or misleading information for starters (and when discovered, said information should be corrected). Beyond that you said you did not want to go into detail about certain things so as to avoid a 'boring list'. I would say there are many tasteful ways you can incorporate much more information and not make it seem as a list.

If this is intended to be a joke, then so be it, humor in SC proposals is always welcome when done well however from what I have read, it seems as if the humor was not properly received.

[Yohannes]

After listening to Praecep's opinion on Discord and understanding the ramifications of this proposal, I have decided to withdraw my previous public endorsement of this proposal as it is written.

[Queen Yuno]

I love it XD
Condemnation of the OverGoat

[Miporin]

If this is intended to be a joke, then so be it, humor in SC proposals is always welcome when done well however from what I have read, it seems as if the humor was not properly received.

I'd tend to second this. While some of the fluff is amusing, casting Osiris in a dubious light in what's supposed to be a light-hearted proposal isn't exactly great.

Humour-based proposals can and do work. Just not this one, in its current state.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

If this is intended to be a joke, then so be it, humor in SC proposals is always welcome when done well however from what I have read, it seems as if the humor was not properly received.

I'd tend to second this. While some of the fluff is amusing, casting Osiris in a dubious light in what's supposed to be a light-hearted proposal isn't exactly great.

Humour-based proposals can and do work. Just not this one, in its current state.

It doesn't cast Osiris in a "dubious light". It casts the Overgoat and Kyrusia in a dubious light for exploiting Osiris.

[Ransium]

Obviously, I’m not against humorous condemnations of moderators, but the way this was rushed to submission, the claims of factual inaccuracy, and the incompleteness of it don’t sit well with me. It’s possible to be funny and still complete. Against.

[Devi]

It doesn't cast Osiris in a "dubious light". It casts the Overgoat and Kyrusia in a dubious light for exploiting Osiris.

I'm pretty sure sitting around and twiddling their collective thumbs while Kyru allegedly abuses his position in its government isn't exactly a good look. It's not exactly a stretch to say that it's implicit incompetence on the part of Osi leadership, whether that's intentional or not

e: whoops, switched nations.

[Marxist Germany]

Ambassador Klaus enters this unfamiliar room in the other chamber, he is handed a copy of the proposal, thoroughly reads through it, glances at the assistant of the ambassador who wrote the proposal in dismay, and says the following, " This seems rushed, factually incorrect, and unacceptable for a nation such as Kyrusia. He notices the notes left by other ambassadors," It seems like you have been advised against submission and yet you didn't listen, this will be taken note of when this goes to vote in 14 hours." He throws the copy of the proposal given to him in the nearby paper shredder and leaves the room.

[Inberdia]

Yeah no this aint gonna pass.

[New Quebecois]

This doesn't make any sense. The accused nation doesn't appear to have done anything inherently wrong.

[New Quebecois]

This doesn't make any sense. The accused nation doesn't appear to have done anything inherently wrong. It looks like a roleplay grudge.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

A blonde woman with bright eyes and an updo with a pin thru her hair dressed wo black thin slacks and white professional short sleeved shirt and soft coat walks into the room and casts "against" for the resolution in question at vote currently.

[Tinhampton]

Some vaguely-posh looking bloke who answers to "Alex," meanwhile, casts his vote IN FAVOUR.

[Marxist Germany]

Ambassador Klaus enters the voting chamber, he picks a ballot, enters the voting room, quickly glances at the ballot, and casts his vote. He leaves the ballot and proceeds to say the following to his fellow ambassadors, "I have voted AGAINST this proposal; I believe Kyrusia deserves a much better condemnation than this, the nation has done much worse than is mentioned, and the nations of the World Assembly deserve to know more about the infamous achievements of Kyrusia. The rushing of submission despite my fellow ambassadors' advise not to also played a role in my vote."

[ArenaC]

I'll be honest, this is probably making everyone over at TEP, the region I'm in, laugh themselves to death. This whole entire proposal is just a bunch of cited history of Kyrusia that isn't relevant to the internationstatial community in NS.

[ArenaC]

I'll be honest, this is probably making everyone over at TEP, the region I'm in, laugh themselves to death. This whole entire proposal is just a bunch of cited history of Kyrusia that isn't relevant to the internationstatial community in NS.

I will also note that I hear Kyrusia does deserve a condemnation, but we should defeat this and rewrite it so that it speaks of the facts of the crimes it commits in NS, not it's history.

[Inderlanda3]

The kyrusian government does not look like a tyrannical country also this proposal will hark countries with no separation of church an state

[Warwik]

"My sorrow if my comprehension of this is meager or in error, but are the august members of the Security Council given to understand that a proposal to condemn a nation comes with a tagline of 'Ha ha, we do not really mean it?' and is bolstered by inaccuracies? Perhaps there is room for a third deliberative body of the World Assembly, one for jesters and mountebanks, where votes can be registered by whacking one's fellow delegates with pig bladders or by breaking wind. Such a proposal would fit well in that body. It does not in this one."

for Queen Beryl,
Sir Cazin ti Stormhaven,
Chancellor of Warwik

[Confederation of the Equator]

I would argu but th lttr was takn away, anyway I bliv that Kyrusia should bcaus