Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Jolthig]

Physical books are a waste anymore considering the rise in digital copies, tbh.

*hides brand new paperback copy of the Lotus Sutra*

Man, there's something about digital books that just doesn't do it for me. I always lose interest in them and find it much harder to finish them compared to an actual physical book.

Plus a physical book is right in front of my face too

[Hanafuridake]

Physical books are a waste anymore considering the rise in digital copies, tbh.

*hides brand new paperback copy of the Lotus Sutra*

Man, there's something about digital books that just doesn't do it for me. I always lose interest in them and find it much harder to finish them compared to an actual physical book.

Yeah I know where you're coming from. There's something which can't compare to holding a book in your hands and reading it. My own house had a bug infection for the longest time, which pretty much ruined a lot of my books and made me have to come up with ways to get around the issue (like containers). There's only a few I have now which are in good condition.

[Jolthig]

Man, there's something about digital books that just doesn't do it for me. I always lose interest in them and find it much harder to finish them compared to an actual physical book.

Yeah I know where you're coming from. There's something which can't compare to holding a book in your hands and reading it. My own house had a bug infection for the longest time, which pretty much ruined a lot of my books and made me have to come up with ways to get around the issue (like containers). There's only a few I have now which are in good condition.

RIP :'(

[Cappuccina]

Man, there's something about digital books that just doesn't do it for me. I always lose interest in them and find it much harder to finish them compared to an actual physical book.

Yeah I know where you're coming from. There's something which can't compare to holding a book in your hands and reading it. My own house had a bug infection for the longest time, which pretty much ruined a lot of my books and made me have to come up with ways to get around the issue (like containers). There's only a few I have now which are in good condition.

Damned bugs ruining literature!

[Kowani]

Yeah I know where you're coming from. There's something which can't compare to holding a book in your hands and reading it. My own house had a bug infection for the longest time, which pretty much ruined a lot of my books and made me have to come up with ways to get around the issue (like containers). There's only a few I have now which are in good condition.

Damned bugs ruining literature!

What do you have against Kafka?

[Turbofolkia]

Yeah. That won't work in this globalized world.


Interesting

Most major romance languages have some government agency that does much the same, actually. Mind you, they’re all elitist.

Croatian has one as well, which has led to the development of words which sound absolutely ridiculous like zrakomlat (air hitter) for helicopter, zrakoplov (air sailer) for aeroplane and samokres (self firing) for pistol.

[Novus America]

Most major romance languages have some government agency that does much the same, actually. Mind you, they’re all elitist.

Croatian has one as well, which has led to the development of words which sound absolutely ridiculous like zrakomlat (air hitter) for helicopter, zrakoplov (air sailer) for aeroplane and samokres (self firing) for pistol.

One great thing about English is it has none. Our closest equivalent is the Scrabble dictionary

[Hanafuridake]

I hate the common claim that, because you support the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as a murderer or other monstrous human being. I'm opposed to the death penalty for a number of reasons, but I don't like how some people seem to think that punishing a murderer with death is equivalent to that murderer's crimes against an innocent human being. There's a difference between being merciful and having a bleeding heart.

[Jolthig]

I hate the common claim that, because you support the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as a murderer or other monstrous human being. I'm opposed to the death penalty for a number of reasons, but I don't like how some people seem to think that punishing a murderer with death is equivalent to that murderer's crimes against an innocent human being. There's a difference between being merciful and having a bleeding heart.

Right. The death penalty actually preserves life.

[Novus America]

I hate the common claim that, because you support the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as a murderer or other monstrous human being. I'm opposed to the death penalty for a number of reasons, but I don't like how some people seem to think that punishing a murderer with death is equivalent to that murderer's crimes against an innocent human being. There's a difference between being merciful and having a bleeding heart.

Right. The death penalty actually preserves life.

Yes, my big issue is fear of executing the innocent. Also I do not support unnecessary killing.
So I would generally limit it to repeat offenders, cases with no doubt of guilt and generally to only those too dangerous to imprison safely (attacks other guards or inmates, run a criminal organization while in prison, escape from prison).

[Diopolis]

I hate the common claim that, because you support the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as a murderer or other monstrous human being. I'm opposed to the death penalty for a number of reasons, but I don't like how some people seem to think that punishing a murderer with death is equivalent to that murderer's crimes against an innocent human being. There's a difference between being merciful and having a bleeding heart.

Right. The death penalty actually preserves life.

Aye.

[Jolthig]

Right. The death penalty actually preserves life.

Yes, my big issue is fear of executing the innocent. Also I do not support unnecessary killing.
So I would generally limit it to repeat offenders, cases with no doubt of guilt and generally to only those too dangerous to imprison safely (attacks other guards or inmates, run a criminal organization while in prison, escape from prison).

Yeah. There should be overwhelming evidence for one to get the death penalty.

[Kowani]

I hate the common claim that, because you support the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as a murderer or other monstrous human being. I'm opposed to the death penalty for a number of reasons, but I don't like how some people seem to think that punishing a murderer with death is equivalent to that murderer's crimes against an innocent human being. There's a difference between being merciful and having a bleeding heart.

Right. The death penalty actually preserves life.

Citation needed.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Right. The death penalty actually preserves life.

Citation needed.

Less adultery means less suicide.

[Jolthig]

Right. The death penalty actually preserves life.

Citation needed.

Not a citation, but the death penalty, given the capital nature of the crimes the offender committed, puts away from society a danger. Sure, prison can do that too, but I simply do not view as enough for a man to simply sit there, for the rest of his life, rotting. For the families of whoever the offender affected, they should be given justice. In this case, eye for an eye, tooth for tooth.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Citation needed.

Less adultery means less suicide.

Word of reminder folks, trollnaming is against the rules. Just a random reminder.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

We should ban Islamists tbh

From what?

I disagree with Al Mumtahanah, "religious freedom" is a western secular (aka atheist) concept which is alien to and non-existent in Islam (as it should be).

A Muslim state has no need for 'religious freedom" and Muslim relationships with unbelievers is governed by scripture. God (swt) had already layed out for us how to govern and how to behave, musings of unbelievers are irrelevant.

Surely you believe in some level of religious freedom, because if there's absolutely no religious freedom, non-Muslims would all be banned and persecuted, and you don't want that, do you?

Why do you say that?

Because you continue to display how horrible it really is better than any non-Muslim could.

Convincing people to become muslim isn't the job of muslims. If you're not muslim you're not muslim, and we have instructions on how to deal with you.

What are those instructions?

If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.

But surely you would want to establish a society in which you would be validated and accepted, insofar as you've done nothing wrong, right?

Religion is deeply intertwined with right-wing belief.

Often, but not necessarily.

Right. The death penalty actually preserves life.

That claim is patently the opposite of the case in the short term, and dubious in the long term.

I hate the common claim that, because you support the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as a murderer or other monstrous human being. I'm opposed to the death penalty for a number of reasons, but I don't like how some people seem to think that punishing a murderer with death is equivalent to that murderer's crimes against an innocent human being. There's a difference between being merciful and having a bleeding heart.

I view any killing not done in self-defense or with the consent of the dying as murder (aside from things like turning off a braindead patient's life support). So I think the death penalty is technically murder. That's not to say it's as bad as murder of innocent people, but it's still murder imo.

[Nova Cyberia]

Yep. That's where I'm at.

Why tho?

Discussions with radical Muslims, mainly.

[Cappuccina]

Yes, my big issue is fear of executing the innocent. Also I do not support unnecessary killing.
So I would generally limit it to repeat offenders, cases with no doubt of guilt and generally to only those too dangerous to imprison safely (attacks other guards or inmates, run a criminal organization while in prison, escape from prison).

Yeah. There should be overwhelming evidence for one to get the death penalty.

Indeed. That's why justice departments must be vigilant and have their eyes peeled, looking for corruption amongst their own.

[Totally Not OEP]

Citation needed.

Less adultery means less suicide.

The proscription on Adultery really does need to be restored.

[Totally Not OEP]

Right. The death penalty actually preserves life.

Citation needed.

I'd have to dig for it, but until fairly recently the overwhelming body of research concluded that the Death Penalty did deter crime. Nowadays they say it doesn't but that ignores a very large caveat: the Death Penalty is very rarely used anymore.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

I'd have to dig for it, but until fairly recently the overwhelming body of research concluded that the Death Penalty did deter crime. Nowadays they say it doesn't but that ignores a very large caveat: the Death Penalty is very rarely used anymore.

Then dig for it. I for one have my doubts that the death penalty is morally acceptable and practically desirable.

[Novus America]

Yes, my big issue is fear of executing the innocent. Also I do not support unnecessary killing.
So I would generally limit it to repeat offenders, cases with no doubt of guilt and generally to only those too dangerous to imprison safely (attacks other guards or inmates, run a criminal organization while in prison, escape from prison).

Yeah. There should be overwhelming evidence for one to get the death penalty.

It should have a higher standard of proof, beyond a shadow of a doubt, for example crimes where the defendant is not even claiming not to be guilty, is caught committing the crime before a large group like mass shootings, that sort.

And people who commit serious crimes while still in jail.

If there is any question of the identity of the perpetrator I would not do it.

[Novus America]

Citation needed.

I'd have to dig for it, but until fairly recently the overwhelming body of research concluded that the Death Penalty did deter crime. Nowadays they say it doesn't but that ignores a very large caveat: the Death Penalty is very rarely used anymore.

Well it is also the only punishment with guaranteed complete rehabilitation, zero chance of recidivism.

[Mostrov]

I hate the common claim that, because you support the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as a murderer or other monstrous human being. I'm opposed to the death penalty for a number of reasons, but I don't like how some people seem to think that punishing a murderer with death is equivalent to that murderer's crimes against an innocent human being. There's a difference between being merciful and having a bleeding heart.

I was having this very conversation yesterday, who was making the point about the backwardness of religion and how such things have no place in our age. But borrowing off Surveiller et punir, it isn't as though the people didn't have a profound sense of the humanity of what they were committing. Executioners (hangsman and headsman both) in England had their black hoods, both to hide their identity and due to the concept of pollution involved. The idea of whether these people who were regarded as being murdered and whether they could go to heaven was a matter for considerable public interest. They, as we do now with matters such as homelessness, simply regarded it as part of the tragedy of the times and were happy to live with it, as we do now with many other ills that might be regarded as even worse—and I often find commentated on by foreigners who come to western countries—than what they perceived as so at the time.