MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Senkaku]

I mean, based off the principle of guns are more valuable than people, voting for Trump over Hillary theoretically would make sense-- either you face the potential of a little bit of restriction under Trump along with possibilities of deregulation or continuation of the status quo, whereas under Hillary he'd have faced the potential of more restriction (though I doubt she could've passed an assault weapons ban or whatever, or had that been her top priority), with much less prospect for deregulation.

It's not illogical, it's just heartless and stupid.

And then Trump out and said people needed to have their guns taken away with no due process.

Surrounded by right-wing operators who soon got him to change his mind; and I'm fairly confident Tel already ascribed beliefs like that (and more extreme, even) to Hillary and other Democrats, regardless of if that was actually true.

Again, if you care about guns to the exclusion of all else, Trump was a better bet than Hillary-- you're just missing the broader point that the United States and the world order we've built are on fire and we need to be focusing on putting that out, not, you know, polishing our toys.

[Telconi]

And then Trump out and said people needed to have their guns taken away with no due process.

Surrounded by right-wing operators who soon got him to change his mind; and I'm fairly confident Tel already ascribed beliefs like that (and more extreme, even) to Hillary and other Democrats, regardless of if that was actually true.

We know it is tho...

[Senkaku]

Surrounded by right-wing operators who soon got him to change his mind; and I'm fairly confident Tel already ascribed beliefs like that (and more extreme, even) to Hillary and other Democrats, regardless of if that was actually true.

We know it is tho...

I would encourage you to make this clairvoyance thing you apparently have going into a business, you could blow Musk and Neuralink out of the water if you've got the real thing.

[Telconi]

We know it is tho...

I would encourage you to make this clairvoyance thing you apparently have going into a business, you could blow Musk and Neuralink out of the water if you've got the real thing.

Contrary to your apparent belief, reading published outlines of policy intent doesn't make one clairvoyant, just literate.

[Nakena]

Omar also belongs to the islamist appeaser faction and those people getting bigger inside the democratic party. Which alone is reason to oppose them.

Even if this were true, that's not a reason to deport an American citizen. You're missing the point entirely.

I never argued for her deportation.

Theres an tradition in america that weirdos with radical, outlandish or bizarre views are getting elected into the House. To be fair, Omar is not too much of an exception. Thats one thing. Its another thing when wide parts of the mainstream media and political activists are hailing them as progressive when they're of rather questionable nature. This is clearly a matter of concern and needs to be examined in detail, specifically who is pushing for this and which interests and individuals are associated with those campaigns.

Ties to dubious organizations such as the CAIR are existing though.

I am not saying Omar is an adherent of radical islamic fundamentalism, but that she does belongs to a category of door openers of this ideology which america has fought over a decade and in which fight against countless soldiers lost their lives.

Its ultimatively a part of a larger trend, namely that the democratic party and the american left is now opening their door for enablers (and sometimes not-so-subtle adherents such as Linda Sarsour) of this hostile ideology is a like a stab in the back to all those who did and sometimes still are in the field and beyond fighting against the forces of evil.

I wish you were as worried about the actual president enabling white supremacy as you are about the radical islamist beliefs of a pro-lgbt, pro-women's rights democrat who happens to wear a hijab.

I do not believe that Omar is a radical islamic fundamentalist, more part of a door opener towards the tendency. She hasnt, unlike Sarsour, spoken in favor of Sharia or the likes. At least not to my knowledge. But if you have any info regarding this, I'd be delighted if you were to share with us. Is there something I should know?

Yes, but our current President and majority party in the senate support Facists, Noe-Nazi's, and White Nationalists.

I would not say that he supports them. But his rise did undoubtly helped enabling the Alt-Right and White Nationalists as a political force. As much as the american left current helps enabling political islam as acceptable in american politics.

By your logic they both suck, but she has nowhere near the power that the other side currently has, so I view them as a bigger issue atm. (Also, how can she be an Islamist supporter while also being pro-lgbt and a woman's rights advocate?)

Yes they both do suck. Each in their own different way.

[Bombadil]

I mean this is how the right want to frame it, do you want that bastion of Anglo-Saxon values - ignoring all his transgressions - or the Muslim America-hating Democrats.

In a sense it's 1931 Germany-lite, where the populist lightning rod for authoritarianism has gone a little out of control of those who enable him.

Let's hope America's better, fulfilling the idea that history repeats first as tragedy then as farce.

[Salandriagado]

Having read her wikipedia article, I've got literally no idea what the fuck you think is wrong with her. She's got generic centre-left positions, and some fuckwits have come up with some ridiculous conspiracy theories about her, and that's it.

That's hardly a stellar endorsement...

Answer the fucking question.

[Nakena]

I am not saying Omar is an adherent of radical islamic fundamentalism, but that she does belongs to a category of door openers of this ideology which america has fought over a decade and in which fight against countless soldiers lost their lives.

How the fuck is she a "door opener"? You're saying "I'm not saying she believes in it, I'm just saying she's a Manchurian Candidate for it!" Fucking ridiculous.

Its ultimatively a part of a larger trend, namely that the democratic party and the american left is now opening their door for enablers (and sometimes not-so-subtle adherents such as Linda Sarsour) of this hostile ideology is a like a stab in the back to all those who did and sometimes still are in the field and beyond fighting against the forces of evil.

Elaborate on how the Democratic Party is beginning to embrace radical Islam or jihadism. Please, since you've apparently identified a "larger trend," explain to those of us who are unenlightened and think you're badly parroting a bunch of Fox News sharia-scare bullshit with no substance or real meaning whatsoever and then wrapping yourself in the flag to avoid being challenged.

Theres numerous articles across the internet (including liberal and leftist publications) where islamic values are reinterpreted as supposedly fitting with values of the democratic party, progressivism and so on. I've vaguely recall that someone proclaimed the hijab as symbol of emancipation. So it goes on and on. And lets not get to Linda Sarsour, her supporters, CAIR etc etc.

Those people are, to begin with, either incredible naive or willingly playing with the very forces that will ultimatively destroy them should they ever gain the necessary critical mass. (which I admit they're far from at the moment in the US but somewhat closer to in UK and numerous euro nations)

Aside from that history offers us numerous warnings for what happens with the left-wingers who think that they can forge an (i think today this would be called intersectional) alliance with islamists against supposedly reactionary enemies. The Islamic Revolution of 1979 where leftists and liberals supported the khomeinists and got later annhiliated and murdered by them alone should be warning enough.

Left-wingers and liberals have in the long run nothing good to expect from radical fundamentalist islam. Specifically not when they're atheist or gay.

[Gormwood]

That's hardly a stellar endorsement...

Answer the fucking question.

He never will and you know it. His whole schtick is passive aggressive snark to own the libs.

[San Lumen]

Answer the fucking question.

He never will and you know it. His whole schtick is passive aggressive snark to own the libs.

Remember this is someone who called for the peaceful transfer of power to not be respected

[North German Realm]

Take it from the guy who's living in the result of the original "What if we trusted the Muslim in a non-Sharia country" experiment. The problem with Muslim politicians in a country that doesn't have Sharia as its source of law (not even "non-Muslim countries". Muslim majority countries that have a secular legal code aren't exempt from this) is that it doesn't matter what the politician's so-called platform is. It is, almost consistently, a popular platform that "makes complete sense" if you look at it from any way and have a minimum of common sense. And it is (almost consistently) utterly, completely, and totally a lie. Omar isn't an exception. Her platform makes complete sense, because it is designed to make complete sense. Most of the time, it is not easy seeing the ugly ideology behind that sane and exemplar platform. In Omar's case, her insane, conspiracy-theory grade antisemitism is actually very easy to notice, and has been so for years now.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Take it from the guy who's living in the result of the original "What if we trusted the Muslim in a non-Sharia country" experiment. The problem with Muslim politicians in a country that doesn't have Sharia as its source of law (not even "non-Muslim countries". Muslim majority countries that have a secular legal code aren't exempt from this) is that it doesn't matter what the politician's so-called platform is. It is, almost consistently, a popular platform that "makes complete sense" if you look at it from any way and have a minimum of common sense. And it is (almost consistently) utterly, completely, and totally a lie. Omar isn't an exception. Her platform makes complete sense, because it is designed to make complete sense. Most of the time, it is not easy seeing the ugly ideology behind that sane and exemplar platform. In Omar's case, her insane, conspiracy-theory grade antisemitism is actually very easy to notice, and has been so for years now.

And your reason to believe it's all lies is...

Besides a baseless distrust of Muslims that is?

[Ifreann]

Take it from the guy who's living in the result of the original "What if we trusted the Muslim in a non-Sharia country" experiment. The problem with Muslim politicians in a country that doesn't have Sharia as its source of law (not even "non-Muslim countries". Muslim majority countries that have a secular legal code aren't exempt from this) is that it doesn't matter what the politician's so-called platform is. It is, almost consistently, a popular platform that "makes complete sense" if you look at it from any way and have a minimum of common sense. And it is (almost consistently) utterly, completely, and totally a lie. Omar isn't an exception. Her platform makes complete sense, because it is designed to make complete sense. Most of the time, it is not easy seeing the ugly ideology behind that sane and exemplar platform. In Omar's case, her insane, conspiracy-theory grade antisemitism is actually very easy to notice, and has been so for years now.

But you're a Muslim, so how can we trust you?

[North German Realm]

Take it from the guy who's living in the result of the original "What if we trusted the Muslim in a non-Sharia country" experiment. The problem with Muslim politicians in a country that doesn't have Sharia as its source of law (not even "non-Muslim countries". Muslim majority countries that have a secular legal code aren't exempt from this) is that it doesn't matter what the politician's so-called platform is. It is, almost consistently, a popular platform that "makes complete sense" if you look at it from any way and have a minimum of common sense. And it is (almost consistently) utterly, completely, and totally a lie. Omar isn't an exception. Her platform makes complete sense, because it is designed to make complete sense. Most of the time, it is not easy seeing the ugly ideology behind that sane and exemplar platform. In Omar's case, her insane, conspiracy-theory grade antisemitism is actually very easy to notice, and has been so for years now.

And your reason to believe it's all lies is...

Besides a baseless distrust of Muslims that is?

Living in the literal result of people trusting a Muslim over the establishment? Having a 9-years-long constant study of Islam, its fiqh and ahkam? I mean, you don't have to trust my word for it. I'm just giving my two cents.

Take it from the guy who's living in the result of the original "What if we trusted the Muslim in a non-Sharia country" experiment. The problem with Muslim politicians in a country that doesn't have Sharia as its source of law (not even "non-Muslim countries". Muslim majority countries that have a secular legal code aren't exempt from this) is that it doesn't matter what the politician's so-called platform is. It is, almost consistently, a popular platform that "makes complete sense" if you look at it from any way and have a minimum of common sense. And it is (almost consistently) utterly, completely, and totally a lie. Omar isn't an exception. Her platform makes complete sense, because it is designed to make complete sense. Most of the time, it is not easy seeing the ugly ideology behind that sane and exemplar platform. In Omar's case, her insane, conspiracy-theory grade antisemitism is actually very easy to notice, and has been so for years now.

But you're a Muslim, so how can we trust you?

Haven't been one for the last... five years. I think I'm one of the three most vocal against Islam on this forum at this point lmao.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

And your reason to believe it's all lies is...

Besides a baseless distrust of Muslims that is?

Living in the literal result of people trusting a Muslim over the establishment? Having a 9-years-long constant study of Islam, its fiqh and ahkam? I mean, you don't have to trust my word for it. I'm just giving my two cents.

But you're a Muslim, so how can we trust you?

Haven't been one for the last... five years. I think I'm one of the three most vocal against Islam on this forum at this point lmao.

Where do you live, then?

[Shrillland]

Living in the literal result of people trusting a Muslim over the establishment? Having a 9-years-long constant study of Islam, its fiqh and ahkam? I mean, you don't have to trust my word for it. I'm just giving my two cents.



Haven't been one for the last... five years. I think I'm one of the three most vocal against Islam on this forum at this point lmao.

Where do you live, then?

He lives in Iran, actually.

[Ifreann]

But you're a Muslim, so how can we trust you?

Haven't been one for the last... five years. I think I'm one of the three most vocal against Islam on this forum at this point lmao.

The thing about deciding that there's a group of people who aren't to be trusted, and that even if some individuals appear to be doing good things and have beliefs we agree with, that's just part of a secret plot hiding an evil ideology, the thing about that is that I can say that you're part of that group and there's nothing you can ever say or do to dispute that accusation. You say you're not a Muslim? That's the most obvious lie a secret Muslim would tell. Claim to be an apostate? Criticise Islam? You're clearly just trying to insinuate yourself into Islam-critical groups, no doubt for nefarious reasons.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Where do you live, then?

He lives in Iran, actually.

So... Ilhan Omar is going to overthrow the Shah and instate herself as head of the Islamic Republic of the United States?

[North German Realm]

Haven't been one for the last... five years. I think I'm one of the three most vocal against Islam on this forum at this point lmao.

The thing about deciding that there's a group of people who aren't to be trusted, and that even if some individuals appear to be doing good things and have beliefs we agree with, that's just part of a secret plot hiding an evil ideology, the thing about that is that I can say that you're part of that group and there's nothing you can ever say or do to dispute that accusation. You say you're not a Muslim? That's the most obvious lie a secret Muslim would tell. Claim to be an apostate? Criticise Islam? You're clearly just trying to insinuate yourself into Islam-critical groups, no doubt for nefarious reasons.

That's a very safe and logical accusation, and I can't really criticize you for it.

[Tobleste]

Fortunately, we don't have that kind of extremist in Ireland.

Somehow moderate Republicans don't exist in your reality. Still, it's humorous that you deride millions of people that you haven't met.

Moderate Republicans are like tall dwarves or sexy cave trolls. They're more of a theoretical paradox than something you ever actually see. The Republican party is extreme. Supporting it is supporting a party that is far right by 1st world standards.

[The Black Forrest]

Fortunately, we don't have that kind of extremist in Ireland.

Somehow moderate Republicans don't exist in your reality. Still, it's humorous that you deride millions of people that you haven't met.

They still have those? The people I knew who I thought were moderates are now magas.

[Kowani]

Somehow moderate Republicans don't exist in your reality. Still, it's humorous that you deride millions of people that you haven't met.

They still have those? The people I knew who I thought were moderates are now magas.

Going the way of the white rhino.

[Zurkerx]

Somehow moderate Republicans don't exist in your reality. Still, it's humorous that you deride millions of people that you haven't met.

They still have those? The people I knew who I thought were moderates are now magas.

Well, it has become partisan over the years; not much room for moderates anymore like me- wait a Libertarian like me calling myself a moderate? I can dig that

[Bear Stearns]

Trump should lower the drinking and smoking age to 18.

[Telconi]

That's hardly a stellar endorsement...

Answer the fucking question.

There's a question?