by Scomagia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:34 pm
by -Ocelot- » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:03 pm
by Cekoviu » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:09 pm
by Scomagia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:11 pm
-Ocelot- wrote:We'll get what we deserve.
Climate change is not going to be avoided, in my opinion. The chaotic, reactionary free market doesn't like solutions, it likes problems. The average plebeian will have to migrate to other countries and be gunned down in the process, be poorer or simply die because of climate change but the rich will be fine and may even find more ways to profit off the misery of people and exert greater control over them. This is what matters in our world. Climate change a crisis that will have to be solved and solutions can be very profitable.
Of course, governments will implement carbon taxes (EU will by 2020), renewables will replace dirtier forms of energy and billions of additional trees will be planted in the near future. But believing that our declawed governments can do anything meaningful to stop the endless march of the free market is unhinged optimism.
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:14 pm
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by Cekoviu » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:16 pm
Scomagia wrote:-Ocelot- wrote:We'll get what we deserve.
Climate change is not going to be avoided, in my opinion. The chaotic, reactionary free market doesn't like solutions, it likes problems. The average plebeian will have to migrate to other countries and be gunned down in the process, be poorer or simply die because of climate change but the rich will be fine and may even find more ways to profit off the misery of people and exert greater control over them. This is what matters in our world. Climate change a crisis that will have to be solved and solutions can be very profitable.
Of course, governments will implement carbon taxes (EU will by 2020), renewables will replace dirtier forms of energy and billions of additional trees will be planted in the near future. But believing that our declawed governments can do anything meaningful to stop the endless march of the free market is unhinged optimism.
Blaming it all on capitalism is pretty sketchy. I seem to remember the various Socialist states pillaging the land, as well.
by Chan Island » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:33 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:While visiting CA, I saw a lot of houses with solar panels on the roofs. Looked nifty.
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by EastKekistan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:48 pm
by Scomagia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:51 pm
EastKekistan wrote:I think climate change is not going to be stopped because humans (and non-human animals) find it hard to cooperate without an external enemy.
by EastKekistan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:53 pm
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:59 pm
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by -Ocelot- » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:10 pm
Scomagia wrote:-Ocelot- wrote:We'll get what we deserve.
Climate change is not going to be avoided, in my opinion. The chaotic, reactionary free market doesn't like solutions, it likes problems. The average plebeian will have to migrate to other countries and be gunned down in the process, be poorer or simply die because of climate change but the rich will be fine and may even find more ways to profit off the misery of people and exert greater control over them. This is what matters in our world. Climate change a crisis that will have to be solved and solutions can be very profitable.
Of course, governments will implement carbon taxes (EU will by 2020), renewables will replace dirtier forms of energy and billions of additional trees will be planted in the near future. But believing that our declawed governments can do anything meaningful to stop the endless march of the free market is unhinged optimism.
Blaming it all on capitalism is pretty sketchy. I seem to remember the various Socialist states pillaging the land, as well.
by Chan Island » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:12 pm
-Ocelot- wrote:Scomagia wrote:Blaming it all on capitalism is pretty sketchy. I seem to remember the various Socialist states pillaging the land, as well.
There's more than 2 extremes out there. And we are currently heading towards the other extreme. How about you focus on our current system instead of one that's been dead for decades?
There is no 21st century socialism to make a real comparison. 20th century socialist states were in a relentless financial war against the west and were severely limited, especially compared to modern countries. It's not like they could choose between investing in solar arrays and sustainable agriculture instead of "pillaging the land" because these things didn't even exist when socialism was a real thing. How about we focus on the unsustainable practices real, existing private corporations choose to do, even though they could afford an alternative instead?
At some point we must stop blaming everything on a non-existent socialist boogeyman.
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Northern Syria » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:14 pm
by Cameroi » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:14 pm
by Kowani » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:15 pm
by Chan Island » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:18 pm
Kowani wrote:In order to avoid death by climate change, we need real reform, and that cannot be left to the market. By the time the market shifts, it will be too late to avoid the effects. The Earth moves slowly. But, when it does finally move, it devastates.
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Northern Syria » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:21 pm
Chan Island wrote:Kowani wrote:In order to avoid death by climate change, we need real reform, and that cannot be left to the market. By the time the market shifts, it will be too late to avoid the effects. The Earth moves slowly. But, when it does finally move, it devastates.
And the Earth is moving suspiciously fast right now.
by Cameroi » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:46 pm
by Kowani » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:48 pm
by Imbalistan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:49 pm
Chan Island wrote:And I'm expecting this thread to devolve into a
racist and/or religious and/or politics shitshow within 3 pages.
by Magocratic Aidonaia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:57 pm
by Neutraligon » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:00 pm
by Novus America » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:03 pm
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