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Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:07 pm

Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:10 pm

Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

OOC: Let's see... Illegal for legislating in a repeal, Honest Mistake (your target only legislates on the hormone therapy, not anything else) and trying to repeal more than one resolution at once. I'd also add "grossly offensive" and "trolling", but I'm fairly sure you were already aware of those.
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Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:12 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

OOC: Let's see... Illegal for legislating in a repeal, Honest Mistake (your target only legislates on the hormone therapy, not anything else) and trying to repeal more than one resolution at once. I'd also add "grossly offensive" and "trolling", but I'm fairly sure you were already aware of those.

I do not see the groosly offense
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:13 pm

Blueflarst wrote:I do not see the groosly offense

OOC: Sure you don't, girlfriend.
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Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:13 pm

Denying the gender identities as something real is not an offense to anyone
The gender identities are beliefs not existitent out of the mind it is not flaming
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:14 pm

Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

ATHT was passed in a landslide, so I don't think it's going to be repealed any time soon.
Furthermore, what is "caratrofic"? Do you mean "catastrophic"?
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Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:15 pm

Saciu wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

ATHT was passed in a landslide, so I don't think it's going to be repealed any time soon.
Furthermore, what is "caratrofic"? Do you mean "catastrophic"?
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:15 pm

Cekoviu strongly opposes this resolution for the following reasons:
1) It appears to be designed for the sole purpose of setting a global legal precedent for the invalidation of transgender people, which we strongly oppose on a human rights basis.
2) It advocates an inaccurate understanding of the nature of the transgender issue for which the original resolution was designed.
3) It contradicts the current consensus within psychological science on the status of transgender identities as a mental illness, which is incorrect.
4) The proposal is poorly-written, with misspelled words and missing punctuation, which is wholly inappropriate for a global organization.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:16 pm

Blueflarst wrote:Denying the gender identities as something real is not an offense to anyone

OOC: Is to me.

The gender identities are beliefs not existitent out of the mind it is not flaming

I didn't say flaming. Nor did I specify the bits of content. Also, you're nearly incomprehensible ^here.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:16 pm

Idk if the repeal target addressed this but since this one is claiming that there are only males and females, and gender is immutable... have anybody considered the what if of non-human civilisations with complete hermaphroditism or fluid gender definitions?
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:16 pm

Well, that was fast. And, of course, blatantly unscientific bullshit.
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Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:19 pm

The genders are male and female and determined by the genitals other things are not real
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:19 pm

Blueflarst wrote:The genders are male and female and determined by the genitals other things are not real

What if non-human civilisations with complete hermaphroditism or fluid gender definitions?
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Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:19 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Cekoviu strongly opposes this resolution for the following reasons:
1) It appears to be designed for the sole purpose of setting a global legal precedent for the invalidation of transgender people, which we strongly oppose on a human rights basis.
2) It advocates an inaccurate understanding of the nature of the transgender issue for which the original resolution was designed.
3) It contradicts the current consensus within psychological science on the status of transgender identities as a mental illness, which is incorrect.
4) The proposal is poorly-written, with misspelled words and missing punctuation, which is wholly inappropriate for a global organization.

It is a draft
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Postby Ard al Islam » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:20 pm

Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

Aye.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:21 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Idk if the repeal target addressed this but have anybody considered the what if of non-human civilisations with complete hermaphroditism or fluid gender definitions?

OOC: I think the words "gender non-binary people" in the target catches both of those. But look at the definition in the target resolution - would hermaphrodites or gender fluid individuals even need/want that?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:23 pm

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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:25 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Cekoviu strongly opposes this resolution for the following reasons:
1) It appears to be designed for the sole purpose of setting a global legal precedent for the invalidation of transgender people, which we strongly oppose on a human rights basis.
2) It advocates an inaccurate understanding of the nature of the transgender issue for which the original resolution was designed.
3) It contradicts the current consensus within psychological science on the status of transgender identities as a mental illness, which is incorrect.
4) The proposal is poorly-written, with misspelled words and missing punctuation, which is wholly inappropriate for a global organization.

All four of these points are - guess what - correct! Preach! It would be much more useful to attempt to amend ATHT, which would be possible.
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:26 pm

The backlash of nations wishing to oppress trans people is exactly why we needed this resolution to pass.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:27 pm

Saciu wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Cekoviu strongly opposes this resolution for the following reasons:
1) It appears to be designed for the sole purpose of setting a global legal precedent for the invalidation of transgender people, which we strongly oppose on a human rights basis.
2) It advocates an inaccurate understanding of the nature of the transgender issue for which the original resolution was designed.
3) It contradicts the current consensus within psychological science on the status of transgender identities as a mental illness, which is incorrect.
4) The proposal is poorly-written, with misspelled words and missing punctuation, which is wholly inappropriate for a global organization.

All four of these points are - guess what - correct! Preach! It would be much more useful to attempt to amend ATHT, which would be possible.

Last I checked, we couldn’t amend legislation.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:28 pm

Saciu wrote:It would be much more useful to attempt to amend ATHT, which would be possible.

OOC: Amendments aren't possible due to how the game is coded, but attempting to do so anyway would be about as illegal as the draft already is.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:28 pm

Blueflarst wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Cekoviu strongly opposes this resolution for the following reasons:
1) It appears to be designed for the sole purpose of setting a global legal precedent for the invalidation of transgender people, which we strongly oppose on a human rights basis.
2) It advocates an inaccurate understanding of the nature of the transgender issue for which the original resolution was designed.
3) It contradicts the current consensus within psychological science on the status of transgender identities as a mental illness, which is incorrect.
4) The proposal is poorly-written, with misspelled words and missing punctuation, which is wholly inappropriate for a global organization.

It is a draft

Even for a first draft, this is very poor. A complete overhaul of the entire proposal would be needed to obtain our support.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:29 pm

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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:32 pm

Kowani wrote:
Saciu wrote:All four of these points are - guess what - correct! Preach! It would be much more useful to attempt to amend ATHT, which would be possible.

Last I checked, we couldn’t amend legislation.

I know - but it still be more useful. Obviously, an amendment wouldn't happen, but it could spawn a new resolution.
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Postby Imbalistan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:33 pm

OOC: It has tons of spelling mistakes and seems poorly written.
IC: "This resolution is the stupidest thing I have seen, and I will not vote for it. The resolution your trying to repeal is helping people who need transgender hormone treatment get it."
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