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Valenceria
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Founded: Jun 06, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Valenceria » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:01 am

As World Assembly ambassador for Valenceria, I urge all nations to band together and vote for this resolution. The rights and lives of the peoples' on this planet are worth your efforts. This will be a positive change for the future of civil rights. Affordable hormone therapy for all dysphoric individuals is necessary! Thank you.

OOC: First post on the WA forums. Yay. Really happy about how the WA nations are voting on this issue. As a transwoman, I'm surprised and delighted to see that three quarters of all voting members are for this issue, at least in a fictional roleplay sense.
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The Christian God
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Founded: Jul 13, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby The Christian God » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:14 am

Novo Abrahamia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Not if your nation is a WA member. Also, if anyone's rebelling against God, its your nation, Ambassador. Killing God's children for trying to be who God intended them to be sounds very anti-Christlike.


Trying to be who God intended them to be?? If God intended some one to be female he would have created the individual as a female!! Find your identity in Christ! Not who the devil wants you to be. The world is being deceived but Christ will be victorious!!


"AND JUST HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT I DID NOT INTEND THEY BE TRANSGENDER? For somebody who claims to follow My word, you're putting a lot of them in My mouth. I commanded you to love thy neighbor. I did not command you to love thy neighbor only if they agree with you. Go forth and be a good Christian in My name, not your own."

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The Christian God
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Christian God » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:16 am

MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:
Araraukar wrote:
OOC: 1. If a god created me, she clearly intended me to be male. Mindless biology made an error, that hormone therapy helps to fix somewhat at least. 2. I'm quite sure that if Jesus really was really the son of god and preached the things the Bible says he said, he'd be very disappointed with you.

God is Almighty, He has command all, so if He wished you to be male, biology would have followed and you would have been a male. Second of all, Jesus might be disappointed in him for being super aggressive, but He'll be more sad in you for not listening to the truth. I doubt anything I could say can convince you, but, reconsider your reasons and poke some holes in them. You might find that your reasons aren't as solid as you think.


"And if I had wished they be transgender, then it is My will that they be true to thine own selves. Do not presume to know the Truth when you try to speak for your Lord. After all, I command ALL."
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Morover
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Founded: Oct 14, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Morover » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:00 am

OOC:
Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy was passed 10,855 votes to 3,309.


Thanks to everyone who voted "for!" It really means a lot! Let the repeals start flowing, for I'm sure there will be many!

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Maowi
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Postby Maowi » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:05 am

OOC: Congratulations!
Given the margin, I doubt any repeals would be successful.

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Morover
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Postby Morover » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:08 am

Maowi wrote:OOC: Congratulations!
Given the margin, I doubt any repeals would be successful.

OOC: I certainly hope not. I'll only support a repeal if there's a replacement draft up that I feel would do a good job. I'm sure there will be several people who try to repeal this, as there is with any somewhat controversial subject.

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Mettaton-EX
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Founded: Sep 24, 2016
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Mettaton-EX » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:09 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Victory is when the miserable little orcs stop pretending to have actual arguments and just start name dropping their gods and prophets and other sundry members of their primitive pantheons - because nobody real is going to accept their self-appointed role as the Dick Police. Once again, reason seizes and throttles the infantile fear of anything new or different. It's wonderful to see."

orcs are good and important and do not deserve to be compared to transphobes, how dare you
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Maowi
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Maowi » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:14 am

Morover wrote:OOC: I certainly hope not. I'll only support a repeal if there's a replacement draft up that I feel would do a good job. I'm sure there will be several people who try to repeal this, as there is with any somewhat controversial subject.


OOC: The vast majority will probably be barely, if at all, legal and something like 'transgender bad so don't make them happy and also natsov therefore repeal'

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Savoir
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Ex-Nation

Postby Savoir » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:19 am

Morover wrote:
Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy was passed 10,855 votes to 3,309.


Thanks to everyone who voted "for!"

"Congratulations, Morover! A victory for the rights of transgender individuals!"

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Aclion
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Aclion » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:19 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Victory is when the miserable little orcs stop pretending to have actual arguments and just start name dropping their gods and prophets and other sundry members of their primitive pantheons - because nobody real is going to accept their self-appointed role as the Dick Police. Once again, reason seizes and throttles the infantile fear of anything new or different. It's wonderful to see."

The funny thing to me is that they overlook a legitimate objection. That the last clause only forbids member states from forcing conversion, and doesn't require member states to extend that prohibition to non state actors under their jurisdiction.
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Postby Imbalistan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:24 am

"Congratulations on your win. Viva La Resolution!"
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Minoa
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Minoa » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:25 am

Morover wrote:Thanks to everyone who voted "for!" It really means a lot! Let the repeals start flowing, for I'm sure there will be many!

I lost count of how many times World Assembly members tried to repeal On Abortion, which continues to have the most intense General Assembly debates ever since the start of the post-Jolt era.
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Saciu
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Founded: Sep 28, 2018
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:27 am

Yay! This is great news for trans people across many, many nations.
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The Land of the Ephyral
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Founded: Jun 03, 2016
Moralistic Democracy

Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:30 am

"Following the passing of this resolution, the Senate and Freeborn Landholders of Ephyra will be initiating a withdrawal from the World Assembly."
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The united American-Isreali empire
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Founded: Apr 09, 2019
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Im offended

Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:32 am

I am very offended at this passage. Why must we recognize. This gender confusion is nonsense. I do not support this act one bit. It isnt very fair to nations that are conservative and old fashioned.

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Separatist Peoples
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Founded: Feb 17, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:35 am

The united american-isreali empire wrote:I am very offended at this passage. Why must we recognize. This gender confusion is nonsense. I do not support this act one bit. It isnt very fair to nations that are conservative and old fashioned.

"How conservative nations treat trans people under their care is far less fair, ambassador. The balance of equities favors them."

The Land of the Ephyral wrote:"Following the passing of this resolution, the Senate and Freeborn Landholders of Ephyra will be initiating a withdrawal from the World Assembly."

"We will not miss you."

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Saciu
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:38 am

The united american-isreali empire wrote:I am very offended at this passage. Why must we recognize. This gender confusion is nonsense. I do not support this act one bit. It isnt very fair to nations that are conservative and old fashioned.

Those nations are unfair to their citizens afflicted with gender dysphoria.
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The Land of the Ephyral
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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:40 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"We will not miss you."


"I expect not. Nor we, you. However, when it comes to ensuring the safe and appropriate treatment of individuals afflicted with psychological conditions, we will not permit a broad legislative body to prolong their danger of suicide and self-harm to indulge a self-righteous and narrow-minded quest for undefined "rights" and the appreciation of a so-called identity which is killing far too many it affects."
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Separatist Peoples
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:41 am

The Land of the Ephyral wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"We will not miss you."


"I expect not. Nor we, you. However, when it comes to ensuring the safe and appropriate treatment of individuals afflicted with psychological conditions, we will not permit a broad legislative body to prolong their danger of suicide and self-harm to indulge a self-righteous and narrow-minded quest for undefined "rights" and the appreciation of a so-called identity which is killing far too many it affects."

"Are you still here, ambassador? I thought you threw a tantrum and left."

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The Land of the Ephyral
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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:44 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Are you still here, ambassador? I thought you threw a tantrum and left."


"How very immature. I hope that isn't too representative of your nation. We have now resigned from the World Assembly. I bid you good day."
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Peatiktist
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Peatiktist » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:45 am

Welp.

If this was a real country under a real World organization, we would now be broke.
This is why I'm glad I don't have to actually follow WA proposals.
This nation semi-reflects my political views, but not completely.
Also, before anyone assumes, my leader is in no way based off of myself.

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Saint Arsenio
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Saint Arsenio » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:47 am

If any Nation sees a problem with this Resolution, why not write a Repeal?
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Separatist Peoples
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:49 am

The Land of the Ephyral wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Are you still here, ambassador? I thought you threw a tantrum and left."


"How very immature. I hope that isn't too representative of your nation. We have now resigned from the World Assembly. I bid you good day."


"Well enough. The citizens of the C.D.S.P. have little toleration for tantrums, mistreatment of the vulnerable, and bland foods. Keep your chin up, former ambassador. Two out of three ain't bad."

Peatiktist wrote:Welp.

If this was a real country under a real World organization, we would now be broke.
This is why I'm glad I don't have to actually follow WA proposals.

OOC: Compliance is required. Failure to comply will get you fined an amount calculated for coerce compliance. Failure to pay results in WA-wide sanction.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:50 am

Peatiktist wrote:Welp.

If this was a real country under a real World organization, we would now be broke.
This is why I'm glad I don't have to actually follow WA proposals.

If you cannot afford to make common medication affordable then you are already a failed state.

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Saint Arsenio
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:52 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Peatiktist wrote:Welp.

If this was a real country under a real World organization, we would now be broke.
This is why I'm glad I don't have to actually follow WA proposals.

If you cannot afford to make common medication affordable then you are already a failed state.

I don't think we should go around calling one another "failed states."
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