Computer General Discussion Thread

[Cekoviu]

I just hope a startup will come along and disrupt the operating system market with a new OS.

You mean like companies have been trying to do constantly for twenty years? Barring some kind of massive event, Microsoft is going to control the market for the foreseeable future.

So what I'm learning is that I am either insane or just have no sense of aesthetics.

Not that the planned build itself is any good.

Use a SeaSonic PSU.

[Vassenor]

I just hope a startup will come along and disrupt the operating system market with a new OS.

You mean like companies have been trying to do constantly for twenty years? Barring some kind of massive event, Microsoft is going to control the market for the foreseeable future.

So what I'm learning is that I am either insane or just have no sense of aesthetics.

Not that the planned build itself is any good.

Use a SeaSonic PSU.

That's an upcycle from my current PC.

The only "New" parts in that build are the CPU, motherboard and memory. Which may cause problems with Windows 10 since I cheaper out and brought an OEM copy of Win7 when I built it.

[Cekoviu]

You mean like companies have been trying to do constantly for twenty years? Barring some kind of massive event, Microsoft is going to control the market for the foreseeable future.

Use a SeaSonic PSU.

That's an upcycle from my current PC.

The only "New" parts in that build are the CPU, motherboard and memory. Which may cause problems with Windows 10 since I cheaper out and brought an OEM copy of Win7 when I built it.

Ah, alright. I'd recommend switching to a SeaSonic unit (or at least a new PSU of some sort) sometime soon, however - although the PSU is an underappreciated part of builds, it's crucial to pick a strong one, and SeaSonic is basically the best in the biz for that, particularly at the price points provided by its bargain 400-750W units. The Corsair CX500M is mediocre at best and I wouldn't want to put it under large loads, which you might be doing.

[Tekania]

New CPU time.... I have a Ryzen 9 3900X on the way.

[Vassenor]

That's an upcycle from my current PC.

The only "New" parts in that build are the CPU, motherboard and memory. Which may cause problems with Windows 10 since I cheaper out and brought an OEM copy of Win7 when I built it.

Ah, alright. I'd recommend switching to a SeaSonic unit (or at least a new PSU of some sort) sometime soon, however - although the PSU is an underappreciated part of builds, it's crucial to pick a strong one, and SeaSonic is basically the best in the biz for that, particularly at the price points provided by its bargain 400-750W units. The Corsair CX500M is mediocre at best and I wouldn't want to put it under large loads, which you might be doing.

I mean the calculator on the parts list says I'm barely even half-loading it.

I've also been advised to swap the motherboard for something less liable to cook itself.

[Minoa]

Microsoft apparently wants me to have at least 500 employees before they can license the Enterprise edition. If Windows 10 Pro for Workstations allowed me to fully disable telemetry and consumer experiences, then I would have already have it installed last year.

[Vassenor]

So I'm already at peak "I have no idea what I am doing" on this build plan.

[Tekania]

So I'm already at peak "I have no idea what I am doing" on this build plan.

I'd recommend adding something like this or at least this as a boot drive. And use the 4TB as a storage drive. You'll see a massive performance difference running primarily off the SSD. That 5400RPM HDD as a boot drive is going to hold you back abit.

[Vassenor]

So I'm already at peak "I have no idea what I am doing" on this build plan.

I'd recommend adding something like this or at least this as a boot drive. And use the 4TB as a storage drive. You'll see a massive performance difference running primarily off the SSD. That 5400RPM HDD as a boot drive is going to hold you back abit.

Yeah, I was always planning to put something in the M2 slot but I wasn't sure what I needed for a Win10 booter.

[Tekania]

I'd recommend adding something like this or at least this as a boot drive. And use the 4TB as a storage drive. You'll see a massive performance difference running primarily off the SSD. That 5400RPM HDD as a boot drive is going to hold you back abit.

Yeah, I was always planning to put something in the M2 slot but I wasn't sure what I needed for a Win10 booter.

Something around 500GB would be the sweet spot. Though you may want to go higher. Typically with a SSD you would want to about double what you want to expect to store on the drive. But for typical use around 500GB is where it's at, though maybe go up to 1TB. You don't want to run a SSD at near capacity as that has a negative impact on longevity. Many quality drives will have spare blocks reserved and use wear leveling. But the more spare blocks you give them the less they have to actually overwrite previously used blocks and thus the less wear the drive experiences.

[Minoa]

Solid State is pretty much standard as the main drive for new PCs, and we already have 1TB modules for the M2 slot.

The only thing holding me back is the annoyances of Windows 10.

[Cekoviu]

So I'm already at peak "I have no idea what I am doing" on this build plan.

Did you take off the PSU specifically to shut me up about SeaSonic?

Yeah, I was always planning to put something in the M2 slot but I wasn't sure what I needed for a Win10 booter.

Something around 500GB would be the sweet spot. Though you may want to go higher. Typically with a SSD you would want to about double what you want to expect to store on the drive. But for typical use around 500GB is where it's at, though maybe go up to 1TB. You don't want to run a SSD at near capacity as that has a negative impact on longevity. Many quality drives will have spare blocks reserved and use wear leveling. But the more spare blocks you give them the less they have to actually overwrite previously used blocks and thus the less wear the drive experiences.

I feel like 256 GB is often adequate for SSDs so long as you ensure that most nonessential programs and data are on another large drive (for which 4TB is probably more than enough). That depends on the kinds of data Vassenor will be storing, though.

[Vassenor]

So I'm already at peak "I have no idea what I am doing" on this build plan.

Did you take off the PSU specifically to shut me up about SeaSonic?

Something around 500GB would be the sweet spot. Though you may want to go higher. Typically with a SSD you would want to about double what you want to expect to store on the drive. But for typical use around 500GB is where it's at, though maybe go up to 1TB. You don't want to run a SSD at near capacity as that has a negative impact on longevity. Many quality drives will have spare blocks reserved and use wear leveling. But the more spare blocks you give them the less they have to actually overwrite previously used blocks and thus the less wear the drive experiences.

I feel like 256 GB is often adequate for SSDs so long as you ensure that most nonessential programs and data are on another large drive (for which 4TB is probably more than enough). That depends on the kinds of data Vassenor will be storing, though.

No, I started over completely from scratch.

And yeah, the idea was that the SSD would just be the boot / OS drive, with the 4TB drive for holding all my documents, games and other materials.

[Cekoviu]

Did you take off the PSU specifically to shut me up about SeaSonic?

I feel like 256 GB is often adequate for SSDs so long as you ensure that most nonessential programs and data are on another large drive (for which 4TB is probably more than enough). That depends on the kinds of data Vassenor will be storing, though.

No, I started over completely from scratch.

And yeah, the idea was that the SSD would just be the boot / OS drive, with the 4TB drive for holding all my documents, games and other materials.

Do be careful with that, though. I told myself "the SSD will just store the OS" and then ended up needing more space than my dinky old 160 GB laptop HDD offered, so I put a bunch of stuff other than the OS on it.
I'm starting to run out of space and the 160 gig is failing, so I've been storing dormant data on some PATA-era hard drives in my $30 self-refurbished 2001 Dell (the only option I can afford).

[Vassenor]

No, I started over completely from scratch.

And yeah, the idea was that the SSD would just be the boot / OS drive, with the 4TB drive for holding all my documents, games and other materials.

Do be careful with that, though. I told myself "the SSD will just store the OS" and then ended up needing more space than my dinky old 160 GB laptop HDD offered, so I put a bunch of stuff other than the OS on it.
I'm starting to run out of space and the 160 gig is failing, so I've been storing dormant data on some PATA-era hard drives in my $30 self-refurbished 2001 Dell (the only option I can afford).

At the moment I can fit just about everything sans most of my Steam Library (most of which I never really played anyway) onto a 1TB drive, so...

[Tekania]

So I'm already at peak "I have no idea what I am doing" on this build plan.

Did you take off the PSU specifically to shut me up about SeaSonic?

Something around 500GB would be the sweet spot. Though you may want to go higher. Typically with a SSD you would want to about double what you want to expect to store on the drive. But for typical use around 500GB is where it's at, though maybe go up to 1TB. You don't want to run a SSD at near capacity as that has a negative impact on longevity. Many quality drives will have spare blocks reserved and use wear leveling. But the more spare blocks you give them the less they have to actually overwrite previously used blocks and thus the less wear the drive experiences.

I feel like 256 GB is often adequate for SSDs so long as you ensure that most nonessential programs and data are on another large drive (for which 4TB is probably more than enough). That depends on the kinds of data Vassenor will be storing, though.

It can be, but many people end up operating at 90%+ capacity on that within a short period of time and that is not very favorable for SSDs longevity. Yeah 4TB is more than enough for typical storage drive. Generally 512GB. Additionally in current prices the price per GB of a 256GB SSD is actually higher than the price per GB on a comparable tech 512GB. The 512GB is basically the current sweet spot price wise as you are getting less capacity per unit of currency above or below that point. So it's not just the wear potentials and stuff that is the benefit. It gives you more breathing room a bit more future proofing and costs you less per GB. The benefits of going 512GB over tge 256GB far outweights the sole negative (which is higher cost of the specific part). You're basically only saving 30-40 bucks picking a 256GB for a build.

And if they did want to save that ~30bucks I'd recommend they still spend it and swap out their 8GB RAM kit for a 16GB RAM kit.

[Minoa]

In my opinion, the SSD should not be your only storage device. Backups aside, it is easy to re-target something like My Documents to a mechanical drive, where is would have limited effect on OS boot times.

[Tekania]

In my opinion, the SSD should not be your only storage device. Backups aside, it is easy to re-target something like My Documents to a mechanical drive, where is would have limited effect on OS boot times.

Eh, you can pretty much store anything on the SSD. About the only concern would be storing stuff that is frequently overwritten as that would have negative impact on longevity, and even then there are use-cases where even that is optimal

[Pacomia]

Guys, did y’all hear they’re ending support for Windows 10 in 2025? What’s going to happen then, since Microsoft already said that 10 will be the last new OS? Will Windows just end?

[Cekoviu]

Guys, did y’all hear they’re ending support for Windows 10 in 2025? What’s going to happen then, since Microsoft already said that 10 will be the last new OS? Will Windows just end?

This has been public knowledge for four years, but it's not entirely clear what Microsoft plans to do about it. They may rebrand it as "Windows", make a new version and contradict previous knowledge, or potentially make a new OS line altogether (least likely option).

[Supreme Pwnage]

Guys, did y’all hear they’re ending support for Windows 10 in 2025? What’s going to happen then, since Microsoft already said that 10 will be the last new OS? Will Windows just end?

Hopefully yes but probably no. A massive amount of Microsoft's profit comes from OEM deals. What I am predicting will happen is that Micro$oft will finally switch to the Linux kernel instead of continuing to beat the dead horse that is the Windows kernel (the current Windows kernel is a 64-bit hack of a 32-bit hack of a 16-bit hack). The decision to switch to the Linux kernel is inevitable as it will save them massive loads of money because the kernel maintainers work for free. However, to guarantee quality Microsoft is going to keep some people around to pollute the Linux kernel, so the Linux kernel will possibly be forked and free software fanatics such as myself will either switch to that or the GNU Hurd kernel. I'm guessing 2025 is when Micro$oft will finally finish porting their spyware and bloatware to Linux.

[Cekoviu]

Guys, did y’all hear they’re ending support for Windows 10 in 2025? What’s going to happen then, since Microsoft already said that 10 will be the last new OS? Will Windows just end?

Hopefully yes but probably no. A massive amount of Microsoft's profit comes from OEM deals. What I am predicting will happen is that Micro$oft will finally switch to the Linux kernel instead of continuing to beat the dead horse that is the Windows kernel (the current Windows kernel is a 64-bit hack of a 32-bit hack of a 16-bit hack). The decision to switch to the Linux kernel is inevitable as it will save them massive loads of money because the kernel maintainers work for free. However, to guarantee quality Microsoft is going to keep some people around to pollute the Linux kernel, so the Linux kernel will possibly be forked and free software fanatics such as myself will either switch to that or the GNU Hurd kernel. I'm guessing 2025 is when Micro$oft will finally finish porting their spyware and bloatware to Linux.

Press (x) to doubt. The Linux kernel diverges so hard from Microsoft's intentions as a company that to fork it into suiting their goals would be a) more work than fixing Windows and b) fucking it up exactly as much as the NT kernel.
Microsoft will absolutely not commit suicide as a company and just give up on making operating systems, either, so as much as the Linux fanatics may want that to happen, it won't.

[Tekania]

Guys, did y’all hear they’re ending support for Windows 10 in 2025? What’s going to happen then, since Microsoft already said that 10 will be the last new OS? Will Windows just end?

The information is not accurate. End of Support in 2025 applies specifically to Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB 2015. Different subversions and builds of Windows 10 have different end of service dates. Most mainline builds in use at present will already be at end of service well before then (the most recent build, 1903 of Windows 10 hits end of service on December 8, 2020 for example. The original Windows 10 release build is passed end of service already, it's ended on May 9, 2017. And later version of Enterprise LTSB/LTSC have end of service dates later than the 2025 date (LTSC 2019 hits end of service on January 9, 2029).

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from. But whoever it is clearly has no actual idea what the fuck they are talking about.

For questions about end of mainstream support and end of service dates for their specific version and build of Windows should get their information by consulting the Windows Lifecycle sheet on Microsoft. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

[Tekania]

Guys, did y’all hear they’re ending support for Windows 10 in 2025? What’s going to happen then, since Microsoft already said that 10 will be the last new OS? Will Windows just end?

Hopefully yes but probably no. A massive amount of Microsoft's profit comes from OEM deals. What I am predicting will happen is that Micro$oft will finally switch to the Linux kernel instead of continuing to beat the dead horse that is the Windows kernel (the current Windows kernel is a 64-bit hack of a 32-bit hack of a 16-bit hack). The decision to switch to the Linux kernel is inevitable as it will save them massive loads of money because the kernel maintainers work for free. However, to guarantee quality Microsoft is going to keep some people around to pollute the Linux kernel, so the Linux kernel will possibly be forked and free software fanatics such as myself will either switch to that or the GNU Hurd kernel. I'm guessing 2025 is when Micro$oft will finally finish porting their spyware and bloatware to Linux.

The present windows Kernel started as a 32bit kernel. It has absolutely no descent what-so-ever back to a 16bit kernel. What 16bit it could do was via emulation via WoW. It was not a 32bit hack of a 16bit kernel. That would have been the Windows 9x's (Windows 95, 98 and ME) which ran a 32bit compatibility layer over top of a 16bit OS. All current Windows are descendants of the NT kernel starting with Windows NT 3.1. While NT 3.1 shares versioning numbering with Windows 3.1 the two are completely different Operating systems that only share the same GUI look. NT was primarily used for business use with the first home version Windows based on NT being Windows XP. The 64bit kernel is indeed a 64bit kernel. It is not a hack of the 32bit. The only way 32bit code can even run on 64bit windows is via emulation. This is accomplished on 64bit windows the same way 16bit was accomplished on 32bit windows... but in this case it's via WoW64 which emulated a 32bit environment to run the code just as WoW did under 32bit NT to run 16bit DOS code (assuming the code didn't need real mode access which WoW emulation can't provide).

[Supreme Pwnage]

Hopefully yes but probably no. A massive amount of Microsoft's profit comes from OEM deals. What I am predicting will happen is that Micro$oft will finally switch to the Linux kernel instead of continuing to beat the dead horse that is the Windows kernel (the current Windows kernel is a 64-bit hack of a 32-bit hack of a 16-bit hack). The decision to switch to the Linux kernel is inevitable as it will save them massive loads of money because the kernel maintainers work for free. However, to guarantee quality Microsoft is going to keep some people around to pollute the Linux kernel, so the Linux kernel will possibly be forked and free software fanatics such as myself will either switch to that or the GNU Hurd kernel. I'm guessing 2025 is when Micro$oft will finally finish porting their spyware and bloatware to Linux.

Press (x) to doubt. The Linux kernel diverges so hard from Microsoft's intentions as a company that to fork it into suiting their goals would be a) more work than fixing Windows and b) fucking it up exactly as much as the NT kernel.
Microsoft will absolutely not commit suicide as a company and just give up on making operating systems, either, so as much as the Linux fanatics may want that to happen, it won't.

I didn't say they would quit making operating systems, I said they would stop developing the NT kernel. In 2016, MS paid 500k to get on the Linux foundation and has consistently committed a lot of code to the kernel for years. Also, all code in the Linux kernel is required to be GPL-2 compatible, well within the bounds of what MS does as the GPL-2 is quite permissive. Also, more work than fixing Windows? Nothing short of a complete kernel rewrite a la OS X could save the pile of shit that is modern Windows.