[PASSED] Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

[Wallenburg]

What a strange website. Just out of curiosity, is this a legally binding resolution? (i.e. do I have to put this into law even if I vote in negation?)

All WA resolutions are binding, including those that you vote against and those that passed before you joined.

[AaronScythe]

OOC:
Apologies Tinfect, you can understand why that argument sent my post midnight brain off, and I read his post as yours. Only reason I know of the referenced book is Stephen Fry, because comedy.

Kiitos Araraukar, your insight is valued. Perhaps I was just exposed to the older population more with less progressive views.
Se on häpeä, mutta pakastin sisältää joitakin Karjalan piirakoita tästä syystä, joten olen onnellinen

[Novo Abrahamia]

The Holy Empire of Novo Abrahamia will NEVER comply with this wicked resolution.
Transgender hormone therapy is strictly prohibited and it will stay that way. If one of our citizen travel abroad to get that "treatment" he/she will face the death penalty for rebellion against God when returning back.

[Grenartia]

The Holy Empire of Novo Abrahamia will NEVER comply with this wicked resolution.
Transgender hormone therapy is strictly prohibited and it will stay that way. If one of our citizen travel abroad to get that "treatment" he/she will face the death penalty for rebellion against God when returning back.

Not if your nation is a WA member. Also, if anyone's rebelling against God, its your nation, Ambassador. Killing God's children for trying to be who God intended them to be sounds very anti-Christlike.

[Lamoni]

The Holy Empire of Novo Abrahamia will NEVER comply with this wicked resolution.
Transgender hormone therapy is strictly prohibited and it will stay that way. If one of our citizen travel abroad to get that "treatment" he/she will face the death penalty for rebellion against God when returning back.

If you are in the WA, and this is passed, it will be illegal for you NOT to follow it as law. The WA Gnomes literally add it to your national laws, only to be removed if the proposal is repealed by the WA, and not before.

[Castelia]

"My, my. All of these nations with their religion and their gods and their holy books and what not. Makes me glad we implemented that state atheism policy a while ago, huh? And I'm also glad we made secular humanism one of the core teachings in our Philosophy classes. Haha!"

"Well, Mr. President, we don't actually have the Atheism policy on our Policy page..."

"What was that, Mr. Ambassador? Do we have to send you to the reeducation camp to remind you not to break the fourth wall again?"

"S-Sorry, Mr. President! I wont't do it again!"

[Araraukar]

Imagine trying to force nation states to pump citizens full of hormones to mess up their bodies, at their request, when their better judgment is clouded with what is essentially a body integrity dysphoria like mental disorder lmao

OOC: I didn't realize nations could have body integrity dysphoria. And also that's not the same thing as gender dysphoria. The words you use are more akin to you not feeling that an actual part of your body is actually a part of your body, literally. Not because it exhibited the wrong kind of shape or sexual characteristics, but literally you didn't feel like it was actually connected to you. It is thought to be due to a neural glitch in the nerves that connect to the part of your brain to keep track of all the bits of your body. That said, I can't even imagine (due to not suffering from it) what it would feel like to feel that, say, your left arm wasn't a part of your body, despite you being able to move it and receive sensory data from it, but if there was an easy medication treatment for those people, I certainly wouldn't want to deny it from them!

Just pass a bill forcing us to glorify every sexual deviation as a full blown lifestyle while you're at it tbh

...what has sexuality got anything to do with this?

"You all need a lecture on Christian sexual ethics! Our delegation will be happy to host one over in the convention hall. Perhaps the opposing delegations should come as well -- they clearly have a rather poor understanding of the Church's moral teachings."

OOC: A slight warning that this video will likely offend anyone not recognizing it as a parody on how badly Bible's rules fit in the modern day.

IC: "Please take the toxic commentary somewhere else. Religions have caused untold suffering and shouldn't be used as a guideline for legislation, ever. Saying that it's okay to discriminate against people based on some archaeological texts, is just plain madness."

OOC note: She's ^referring to Araraukarian history, not RL one.

The Holy Empire of Novo Abrahamia will NEVER comply with this wicked resolution.
Transgender hormone therapy is strictly prohibited and it will stay that way. If one of our citizen travel abroad to get that "treatment" he/she will face the death penalty for rebellion against God when returning back.

IC: "I think this quite nicely proves my point."

OOC: Kiitos Araraukar, your insight is valued. Perhaps I was just exposed to the older population more with less progressive views.
Se on häpeä, mutta pakastin sisältää joitakin Karjalan piirakoita tästä syystä, joten olen onnellinen

OOC: Also, if you talked to Finns in Australia, only richer (and generally older) people can afford to travel there, so that narrows it down further. Though putting up with bigoted views to get your hands on real Karelian pies on the other side of the world is totally a good excuse.

[Novo Abrahamia]

The Holy Empire of Novo Abrahamia will NEVER comply with this wicked resolution.
Transgender hormone therapy is strictly prohibited and it will stay that way. If one of our citizen travel abroad to get that "treatment" he/she will face the death penalty for rebellion against God when returning back.

Not if your nation is a WA member. Also, if anyone's rebelling against God, its your nation, Ambassador. Killing God's children for trying to be who God intended them to be sounds very anti-Christlike.

Trying to be who God intended them to be?? If God intended some one to be female he would have created the individual as a female!! Find your identity in Christ! Not who the devil wants you to be. The world is being deceived but Christ will be victorious!!

[Grenartia]

Not if your nation is a WA member. Also, if anyone's rebelling against God, its your nation, Ambassador. Killing God's children for trying to be who God intended them to be sounds very anti-Christlike.

Trying to be who God intended them to be?? If God intended some one to be female he would have created the individual as a female!!

What an incredibly small-minded view of God and God's Will.

Find your identity in Christ! Not who the devil wants you to be.

Now That's What I Call Meaningless Platitudes!

The world is being deceived but Christ will be victorious!!

Have you considered that perhaps you're the one being deceived, at least on this topic?

[United Massachusetts]

IC: "Please take the toxic commentary somewhere else. Religions have caused untold suffering and shouldn't be used as a guideline for legislation, ever. Saying that it's okay to discriminate against people based on some archaeological texts, is just plain madness."

"You should know quite well that United Massachusetts does not advocate for discrimination, nor do we contend that Christian sexual ethics in the broad calls for discrimination. We believe your delegation has a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of the Church's sexual teaching, as do those delegations who would seek to invoke it as a means to discriminate."

[Fushiya]

Well then.

With this vote ending in a few hours and evidently will pass, my congratulations to the authors and those who voted FOR. Those against it like me, and aren't going to leave like many of the outraged folks, you know what it's all about.
I pray this is the last we hear of such themes in the GA.
Onto the next resolution...

Now if you'll excuse me gentlemen, I have a train to catch.

[Separatist Peoples]

Not if your nation is a WA member. Also, if anyone's rebelling against God, its your nation, Ambassador. Killing God's children for trying to be who God intended them to be sounds very anti-Christlike.

Trying to be who God intended them to be?? If God intended some one to be female he would have created the individual as a female!! Find your identity in Christ! Not who the devil wants you to be. The world is being deceived but Christ will be victorious!!

"Nobody here cares about your god, ambassador."

[Saciu]

10,809 people made the right decision. Unless a great slew of votes against comes in, a great step in protection for trans people is about to be enforced.

[Araraukar]

"You should know quite well that United Massachusetts does not advocate for discrimination, nor do we contend that Christian sexual ethics in the broad calls for discrimination. We believe your delegation has a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of the Church's sexual teaching, as do those delegations who would seek to invoke it as a means to discriminate."

IC: "I doubt there is any misunderstanding, given that most people who cry the name of your religion, justify their discriminatory bigotry with it. You should have a word with them, if you want to claim having the same religion. Or call yourself something else, if your religion isn't the same, to avoid being confused for belonging in the same group."

OOC: Additionally, she'd rather drink battery acid than attend a religious anything, but I suspect she might be too diplomatic to actually say that out loud.

Trying to be who God intended them to be?? If God intended some one to be female he would have created the individual as a female!! Find your identity in Christ! Not who the devil wants you to be. The world is being deceived but Christ will be victorious!!

OOC: 1. If a god created me, she clearly intended me to be male. Mindless biology made an error, that hormone therapy helps to fix somewhat at least. 2. I'm quite sure that if Jesus really was really the son of god and preached the things the Bible says he said, he'd be very disappointed with you.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Not if your nation is a WA member. Also, if anyone's rebelling against God, its your nation, Ambassador. Killing God's children for trying to be who God intended them to be sounds very anti-Christlike.

Trying to be who God intended them to be?? If God intended some one to be female he would have created the individual as a female!! Find your identity in Christ! Not who the devil wants you to be. The world is being deceived but Christ will be victorious!!

"Boy, look around you, those who don't believe in God's word outnumber us. All we can do now is perserve all we have. Spread when we can, and hold when we can. Do not lose faith in Christ my boy, we'll win in the end, the second time He comes, but till then my boy? Hold your chin up, hold your ground, and be respectful to others will ya?"

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Trying to be who God intended them to be?? If God intended some one to be female he would have created the individual as a female!! Find your identity in Christ! Not who the devil wants you to be. The world is being deceived but Christ will be victorious!!

OOC: 1. If a god created me, she clearly intended me to be male. Mindless biology made an error, that hormone therapy helps to fix somewhat at least. 2. I'm quite sure that if Jesus really was really the son of god and preached the things the Bible says he said, he'd be very disappointed with you.

God is Almighty, He has command all, so if He wished you to be male, biology would have followed and you would have been a male. Second of all, Jesus might be disappointed in him for being super aggressive, but He'll be more sad in you for not listening to the truth. I doubt anything I could say can convince you, but, reconsider your reasons and poke some holes in them. You might find that your reasons aren't as solid as you think.

[Araraukar]

*snip*

OOC: I really don't care.

[Risastorstein]

I'll do it the European way and put it in law and then not enforcing it. N$1.000.0000 is affordable enough, right?

[Araraukar]

I'll do it the European way and put it in law and then not enforcing it. N$1.000.0000 is affordable enough, right?

OOC: Bad faith compliance gets fines applied to your nation. So you tell me if that amount is affordable as a fine?

[Risastorstein]

I'll do it the European way and put it in law and then not enforcing it. N$1.000.0000 is affordable enough, right?

OOC: Bad faith compliance gets fines applied to your nation. So you tell me if that amount is affordable as a fine?

A symbolic dollar is all the WA is going to get

[Araraukar]

A symbolic dollar is all the WA is going to get

OOC: Then put that as the price for the hormones.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It is somewhat surprising how many people has come out underneath their rocks to voice what appears to be support for price gouging and profiteering practices regarding hormone therapy. In some countries these sort of greedy, animalistic behaviour may as well be subject to sanction with the Patriotic Shortener.

[Araraukar]

Patriotic Shortener.

OOC: Is that a beheading machine? Because that's what first came to my mind. EDIT: Or at least would be a great name for one.

[Minoa]

OOC: I'm a Finn, living in Finland. I'm also transgender. How is it silly for me to use my own experiences and my own nation that I bet I know more about than you do?

Not silly at all, ambassador. I once thought same sex marriage would never be a reality in Ireland, until the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandals came in and ate away their influence to a point where same-sex marriage and legal abortion finally became a reality.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

"Victory is when the miserable little orcs stop pretending to have actual arguments and just start name dropping their gods and prophets and other sundry members of their primitive pantheons - because nobody real is going to accept their self-appointed role as the Dick Police. Once again, reason seizes and throttles the infantile fear of anything new or different. It's wonderful to see."