by Al Mumtahanah » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:16 pm
by Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:20 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:21 pm
by ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:21 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:I hope this man is moderate and will respect secular law as the foundation of our country
I also hope Americans will give him a chance and won't immediately turn against him because "Brown mad bad"
by Al Mumtahanah » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:22 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:I hope this man is moderate and will respect secular law as the foundation of our country
I also hope Americans will give him a chance and won't immediately turn against him because "Brown mad bad"
by Highever » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:24 pm
ECKU wrote:I think it's good, AlHamdulillah. We need more Muslim Islamic voices in governments.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Kragholm Free States » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:49 pm
by ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:02 pm
Kragholm Free States wrote:If human rights are so antithetical to the Muslim world that they are considered a form of warfare, then the Muslim world absolutely deserves to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century; out of the shadow of barbarism and into the light of civilisation. I sincerely hope that when Ismail Roger speaks of "true respect for rights rather than [...] LGBT ideology", he doesn't mean the right of Muslims to administer lashes to homosexuals.
by ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:03 pm
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Happy to see support for him.
by Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:06 pm
ECKU wrote:Kragholm Free States wrote:If human rights are so antithetical to the Muslim world that they are considered a form of warfare, then the Muslim world absolutely deserves to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century; out of the shadow of barbarism and into the light of civilisation. I sincerely hope that when Ismail Roger speaks of "true respect for rights rather than [...] LGBT ideology", he doesn't mean the right of Muslims to administer lashes to homosexuals.
Only Muslim homosexuals. Either way I doubt Sh. Hamza Yusuf can actually enforce Shari'ah in any meaningful way. He's part the Human Rights Admin, not legislation.
by Kragholm Free States » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:07 pm
ECKU wrote:Kragholm Free States wrote:If human rights are so antithetical to the Muslim world that they are considered a form of warfare, then the Muslim world absolutely deserves to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century; out of the shadow of barbarism and into the light of civilisation. I sincerely hope that when Ismail Roger speaks of "true respect for rights rather than [...] LGBT ideology", he doesn't mean the right of Muslims to administer lashes to homosexuals.
Only Muslim homosexuals. Either way I doubt Sh. Hamza Yusuf can actually enforce Shari'ah in any meaningful way. He's part the Human Rights Admin, not legislation.
by Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:10 pm
by ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:19 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:ECKU wrote:Only Muslim homosexuals. Either way I doubt Sh. Hamza Yusuf can actually enforce Shari'ah in any meaningful way. He's part the Human Rights Admin, not legislation.
Who gives a shi* whether it's just to gay Muslims or to all gay people? One tries to bring that in and I will fight them politically, one manages to actually bring that in and I will go after them with the whips they believe are a just punishment.
by ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Kragholm Free States wrote:ECKU wrote:Only Muslim homosexuals. Either way I doubt Sh. Hamza Yusuf can actually enforce Shari'ah in any meaningful way. He's part the Human Rights Admin, not legislation.
One would assume that position would grant him some fairly significant influence over the definition of human rights, through which he certainly could steer said definition in the direction of Islamic law - or, at least, granting Muslims in the US the right to practice Sharia. And that is unequivocally a terrible thing. Why should a homosexual born into Islam have no choice but to either face barbaric punishment for their sexuality, or renounce Islam and face barbaric punishment for apostasy? What kind of bloody savage thinks that is remotely acceptable?
by Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:27 pm
ECKU wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:
Who gives a shi* whether it's just to gay Muslims or to all gay people? One tries to bring that in and I will fight them politically, one manages to actually bring that in and I will go after them with the whips they believe are a just punishment.
Which would cause you to be arrested for obstruction of justice. Or contempt of court, idk what preventing a punishment would be called.
by ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:28 pm
by Highever » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:29 pm
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Kragholm Free States » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:30 pm
ECKU wrote:Kragholm Free States wrote:
One would assume that position would grant him some fairly significant influence over the definition of human rights, through which he certainly could steer said definition in the direction of Islamic law - or, at least, granting Muslims in the US the right to practice Sharia. And that is unequivocally a terrible thing. Why should a homosexual born into Islam have no choice but to either face barbaric punishment for their sexuality, or renounce Islam and face barbaric punishment for apostasy? What kind of bloody savage thinks that is remotely acceptable?
1: There is no punishment for being homosexual in Al-Islam
2: Punishment for apostasy is a debated topic among the 'ulama
3: It's possible that the Shaykh could use his Deen for his job, but I highly doubt it'll mean change for the cause of Muslim Americans at large.
by Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:31 pm
by ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:38 pm
Kragholm Free States wrote:ECKU wrote:1: There is no punishment for being homosexual in Al-Islam
2: Punishment for apostasy is a debated topic among the 'ulama
3: It's possible that the Shaykh could use his Deen for his job, but I highly doubt it'll mean change for the cause of Muslim Americans at large.
1: Sure, because mind reading is impossible. But there is certainly a punishment for gay sex, is there not?
2: Most things are debated topics. Is the debate about whether or not there should be a punishment, or whether the punishment should be flogging or death?
3: I also doubt he'll actually be able to - or even attempt to - push for Islamic law, I merely found the comments about human rights as an act of war against the Muslim world, and Roger's comments about human rights in opposition to "LGBT ideology", quite concerning.
by Highever » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:45 pm
ECKU wrote:Highever wrote:It would be odd for there to be sharia law in a non Muslim, secular nation but you dont see the issue with that.
CorrectKragholm Free States wrote:
1: Sure, because mind reading is impossible. But there is certainly a punishment for gay sex, is there not?
2: Most things are debated topics. Is the debate about whether or not there should be a punishment, or whether the punishment should be flogging or death?
3: I also doubt he'll actually be able to - or even attempt to - push for Islamic law, I merely found the comments about human rights as an act of war against the Muslim world, and Roger's comments about human rights in opposition to "LGBT ideology", quite concerning.
1: Yes
2: The debate is whether there should be a punishment
3: Human rights are defined by Allah SWT; the kind of war brother Roger is talking about is probs the kufr kind of human 'rights'Fartsniffage wrote:
Muslims don't have a lock on beating the sh*t out of someone.
No said anything about that.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:47 pm
by Kragholm Free States » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:48 pm
ECKU wrote:Kragholm Free States wrote:
1: Sure, because mind reading is impossible. But there is certainly a punishment for gay sex, is there not?
2: Most things are debated topics. Is the debate about whether or not there should be a punishment, or whether the punishment should be flogging or death?
3: I also doubt he'll actually be able to - or even attempt to - push for Islamic law, I merely found the comments about human rights as an act of war against the Muslim world, and Roger's comments about human rights in opposition to "LGBT ideology", quite concerning.
1: Yes
2: The debate is whether there should be a punishment
3: Human rights are defined by Allah SWT; the kind of war brother Roger is talking about is probs the kufr kind of human 'rights'
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