California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Liriena]

It's a blatant whataboutism. When was the last time you advocated in favour of policy to help the homeless in its own right, rather than as a counter to another policy?

Yeah, no it isn't and you know it.

Do I? Because that's what it looks like.

"Oh don't help these poor people when there's these other poor people who need help too"

It's a whataboutism. And it only works if we accept the implicit premise that California is incapable of doing both. Helping poor immigrants and the homeless is not a zero-sum game.

Also, pretty sure that I've been a long time advocate for how California fucks it's own people over in regards to dealing with it's homelessness epidemic. Not that you actually give a shit or anything.

Well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Let's check.

[The Emerald Legion]

"Almost every category"

What categories are those?

Education, economics in general, technology, public transportation, life expectancy…

idk man we don't have a "human shit in the streets" problem

Well, I did say almost.

It's almost like when a state becomes the resting place of generations of the Ultra Rich it weights the scale a bit.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Yeah, no it isn't and you know it.

Do I? Because that's what it looks like.

"Oh don't help these poor people when there's these other poor people who need help too"

It's a whataboutism. And it only works if we accept the implicit premise that California is incapable of doing both. Helping poor immigrants and the homeless is not a zero-sum game.

Also, pretty sure that I've been a long time advocate for how California fucks it's own people over in regards to dealing with it's homelessness epidemic. Not that you actually give a shit or anything.

Well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Let's check.

Saying that actual citizens should get priority treatment over illegal aliens isn't "whataboutism". But hey, keep saying that so you can completely ignore the conversation and try for a cheap "Gotcha" moment.

[Kowani]

Do I? Because that's what it looks like.

"Oh don't help these poor people when there's these other poor people who need help too"

It's a whataboutism. And it only works if we accept the implicit premise that California is incapable of doing both. Helping poor immigrants and the homeless is not a zero-sum game.


Well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Let's check.

Saying that actual citizens should get priority treatment over illegal aliens isn't "whataboutism". But hey, keep saying that so you can completely ignore the conversation and try for a cheap "Gotcha" moment.

California already has a program for poor citizens.

[New Lindale]

What the hell, now California is going to be a destination for Health Tourism! Actually, not even that since they're enouraging people to stay

Do you realise if you are a citizen in California, that know you are made less of a priority than someone who just decided to cross the border? What about our aging population, Social Security is basically bankrupt, and now we're making the problem worse?

You do realise that Healthcare Tourism isn't actually a thing, right?

No matter how much the right uses it to demonise their usual scapegoat groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism
Also, don't you see the abuse that could easily occur with this new law, and are you not going to mention the elderly at all? Why is it that we are cheering for the free stuff we're giving illegal immigrants when our own citizens are in trouble?

[Thermodolia]

What the hell, now California is going to be a destination for Health Tourism! Actually, not even that since they're enouraging people to stay

Do you realise if you are a citizen in California, that know you are made less of a priority than someone who just decided to cross the border? What about our aging population, Social Security is basically bankrupt, and now we're making the problem worse?

SS is a shit system anyway. The entire thing should have been turned into a massive pension fund instead of the shit we got now

[Kowani]

Education, economics in general, technology, public transportation, life expectancy…


Well, I did say almost.

It's almost like when a state becomes the resting place of generations of the Ultra Rich it weights the scale a bit.

Perhaps one should ask why they’re coming there, then.

[Vassenor]

You do realise that Healthcare Tourism isn't actually a thing, right?

No matter how much the right uses it to demonise their usual scapegoat groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism
Also, don't you see the abuse that could easily occur with this new law, and are you not going to mention the elderly at all? Why is it that we are cheering for the free stuff we're giving illegal immigrants when our own citizens are in trouble?

Your whataboutism has been noted and discarded.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Saying that actual citizens should get priority treatment over illegal aliens isn't "whataboutism". But hey, keep saying that so you can completely ignore the conversation and try for a cheap "Gotcha" moment.

California already has a program for poor citizens.

Clearly, it's working.

[Thermodolia]

Considering that CA beats almost all the red states in almost every category, that’s an argument you can only make to two kinds of people. The uneducated and gun lovers.

idk man we don't have a "human shit in the streets" problem

Homelessness is pretty fucking low here as is CoL

[Kowani]

California already has a program for poor citizens.

Clearly, it's working.

Considering that I gave you a medical program, which has nothing to do with homelessness…

[Thermodolia]

What the hell, now California is going to be a destination for Health Tourism! Actually, not even that since they're enouraging people to stay

Do you realise if you are a citizen in California, that know you are made less of a priority than someone who just decided to cross the border? What about our aging population, Social Security is basically bankrupt, and now we're making the problem worse?

You do realise that Healthcare Tourism isn't actually a thing, right?

No matter how much the right uses it to demonise their usual scapegoat groups.

Ah then all those Canadians coming over to the US for healthcare must have been a figment of my imagination

[Liriena]

Do I? Because that's what it looks like.

"Oh don't help these poor people when there's these other poor people who need help too"

It's a whataboutism. And it only works if we accept the implicit premise that California is incapable of doing both. Helping poor immigrants and the homeless is not a zero-sum game.


Well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Let's check.

Saying that actual citizens should get priority treatment over illegal aliens isn't "whataboutism".

It kind of is in this context though, because the policies being talked about are completely irrelevant to one another. Medicaid for the poor (including migrants) has almost nothing to do with solving homelessness. There's no overlap here other than the fact that we're talking about poor people.

Also, a problem with your wording here: you seem to assume that the homeless you supposedly want to help are all citizens, hence your "priority treatment" idea. How do you know that that's the case?

Also, your concern about raising taxes seems a bit exaggerated, given that the purported cost of this policy is $98 million, and California has a large population and a huge economy.

[Liriena]

Clearly, it's working.

Considering that I gave you a medical program, which has nothing to do with homelessness…

As usual, the pseudo-compassionate right-wing argument against helping poor migrants is based off of metaphorically pissing outside the metaphorical jar and pretending that that was the game being played.

[Thermodolia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism
Also, don't you see the abuse that could easily occur with this new law, and are you not going to mention the elderly at all? Why is it that we are cheering for the free stuff we're giving illegal immigrants when our own citizens are in trouble?

Your whataboutism has been noted and discarded.

They have a point though. Why aren’t we going to universal healthcare? We have millions of Americans suffering. Focusing on the undocumented immigrants is a non-Issue when we have millions of suffering American citizens

[New Lindale]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism
Also, don't you see the abuse that could easily occur with this new law, and are you not going to mention the elderly at all? Why is it that we are cheering for the free stuff we're giving illegal immigrants when our own citizens are in trouble?

Your whataboutism has been noted and discarded.

So you are trying to tell me anyone who decides to cross into the United States should automatically have better treatment than someone who became a citizen. Y'all have to realise that these policies hurt those who worked hard to become an immigrant of this nation, and decided to settle here? Guess what, I live in a border state too, and we have basically the same problems as California. Here is something that might change my mind though. Show me where this approach has worked before and has officially shown to have helped those naturalise.

[Kowani]

Your whataboutism has been noted and discarded.

They have a point though. Why aren’t we going to universal healthcare? We have millions of Americans suffering. Focusing on the undocumented immigrants is a non-Issue when we have millions of suffering American citizens

We can’t do universal healthcare in one state, ‘cause then you’d see everyone else try to flood it. You’d have to deal that on the National level.

[Vassenor]

Your whataboutism has been noted and discarded.

So you are trying to tell me anyone who decides to cross into the United States should automatically have better treatment than someone who became a citizen. Y'all have to realise that these policies hurt those who worked hard to become an immigrant of this nation, and decided to settle here? Guess what, I live in a border state too, and we have basically the same problems as California. Here is something that might change my mind though. Show me where this approach has worked before and has officially shown to have helped those naturalise.

Oh hey, you're forcing words into my mouth again.

[Kowani]

Your whataboutism has been noted and discarded.

So you are trying to tell me anyone who decides to cross into the United States should automatically have better treatment than someone who became a citizen. Y'all have to realise that these policies hurt those who worked hard to become an immigrant of this nation, and decided to settle here? Guess what, I live in a border state too, and we have basically the same problems as California. Here is something that might change my mind though. Show me where this approach has worked before and has officially shown to have helped those naturalise.

Like I said last time, California has a program for poor citizens.

[New Lindale]

They have a point though. Why aren’t we going to universal healthcare? We have millions of Americans suffering. Focusing on the undocumented immigrants is a non-Issue when we have millions of suffering American citizens

We can’t do universal healthcare in one state, ‘cause then you’d see everyone else try to flood it. You’d have to deal that on the National level.

Not to mention how it would be against the Constitution, since the Health Care would be a right that citizens in one state would have, but no other states. For the solution with Healthcare, we don't need anything else. Why has everyone forgotten about Medicare and CHIP, and what happened to HSA?
I think if you want a better system, do what Texas does with Gold Card, which is quite surprising considering how their view towards similar programs are. All you have to do is if you don't have insurance, you can go to a hospital and an apply, and you can use it even for GPs.

[Kowani]

We can’t do universal healthcare in one state, ‘cause then you’d see everyone else try to flood it. You’d have to deal that on the National level.

Not to mention how it would be against the Constitution, since the Health Care would be a right that citizens in one state would have, but no other states.

…Where in the constitution does it say that.

For the solution with Healthcare, we don't need anything else.

Why has everyone forgotten about Medicare and CHIP, and what happened to HSA?

HSA’s suck

I think if you want a better system, do what Texas does with Gold Card, which is quite surprising considering how their view towards similar programs are. All you have to do is if you don't have insurance, you can go to a hospital and an apply, and you can use it even for GPs.

This is Medi-Cal but in Texas.

[Aeritai]

You would think the United States would implant universal healthcare considering how well Canada is doing it with it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You would think the United States would implant universal healthcare considering how well Canada is doing it with it.

I dunno man, a good friend of mine lives in Saskatchewan and he regularly rails on the Canadian healthcare system. Sure it might be free but yikes those wait times. Good luck getting in before you die lol.

[The Emerald Legion]

It's almost like when a state becomes the resting place of generations of the Ultra Rich it weights the scale a bit.

Perhaps one should ask why they’re coming there, then.

Because it's full of sources of entertainment and leisure for the super rich, along with a couple of high value industry centers that rake in large paychecks.

In other words, things California has done nothing to deserve but simply coincidentally happened to be there.

[Aeritai]

You would think the United States would implant universal healthcare considering how well Canada is doing it with it.

I dunno man, a good friend of mine lives in Saskatchewan and he regularly rails on the Canadian healthcare system. Sure it might be free but yikes those wait times. Good luck getting in before you die lol.

Yikes and I guess the wait time would be way worst in the United States?