by Jolthig » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:36 am
by Mzeusia » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:39 am
by Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:43 am
by Will Change Name Later » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:45 am
by Soviet Tankistan » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:46 am
by Trollgaard » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:47 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Life is indoctrination.
by Will Change Name Later » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:24 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:26 am
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:41 am
by EastKekistan » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:42 am
by USS Monitor » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:48 am
by Thepeopl » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:53 am
by -Ocelot- » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:00 am
Will Change Name Later wrote:What if people just taught people about most beliefs, and let them decide. And instead of saying "don't steal or die" say "stealing is bad because this item doesn't belong to you" or something.
by EastKekistan » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:03 am
-Ocelot- wrote:Will Change Name Later wrote:What if people just taught people about most beliefs, and let them decide. And instead of saying "don't steal or die" say "stealing is bad because this item doesn't belong to you" or something.
Because that's not the purpose of religion. Religion was designed as a way to control people, not teach them to think critically.
by Cetacea » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:09 am
Mzeusia wrote:Murder, lying and other things like that are universally accepted as wrong. A religion is not universally accepted. That is the difference, and that means that religious indoctrination is negative.
by Heloin » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:14 am
-Ocelot- wrote:Will Change Name Later wrote:What if people just taught people about most beliefs, and let them decide. And instead of saying "don't steal or die" say "stealing is bad because this item doesn't belong to you" or something.
Because that's not the purpose of religion. Religion was designed as a way to control people, not teach them to think critically.
by The Halseyist Faction » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:14 am
by Chan Island » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:14 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Mzeusia » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:14 am
Cetacea wrote:Mzeusia wrote:Murder, lying and other things like that are universally accepted as wrong. A religion is not universally accepted. That is the difference, and that means that religious indoctrination is negative.
what a ridiculous argument, firstly Murder, lying etc arent universally accepted as wrong, as can be attested by Trump (and most politicians and lawyers for whom lying is an art) and in the case of murder by the practice of Headhunting in the South East Asia and elsewhere. While the practice is largely historic it persisted into the 20th and the point though is killing people without the motivation of war was acceptable in some societies. As someone with cannibal ancestors the religious indoctrination that condemned those practices was probably a net positive for our society.
Religion, Culture and Family all rely on indoctrination to be effective .
by EastKekistan » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:14 am
Cetacea wrote:Mzeusia wrote:Murder, lying and other things like that are universally accepted as wrong. A religion is not universally accepted. That is the difference, and that means that religious indoctrination is negative.
what a ridiculous argument, firstly Murder, lying etc arent universally accepted as wrong, as can be attested by Trump (and most politicians and lawyers for whom lying is an art) and in the case of murder by the practice of Headhunting in the South East Asia and elsewhere. While the practice is largely historic it persisted into the 20th and the point though is killing people without the motivation of war was acceptable in some societies. As someone with cannibal ancestors the religious indoctrination that condemned those practices was probably a net positive for our society.
Religion, Culture and Family all rely on indoctrination to be effective .
by Heloin » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:23 am
EastKekistan wrote:Cetacea wrote:
what a ridiculous argument, firstly Murder, lying etc arent universally accepted as wrong, as can be attested by Trump (and most politicians and lawyers for whom lying is an art) and in the case of murder by the practice of Headhunting in the South East Asia and elsewhere. While the practice is largely historic it persisted into the 20th and the point though is killing people without the motivation of war was acceptable in some societies. As someone with cannibal ancestors the religious indoctrination that condemned those practices was probably a net positive for our society.
Religion, Culture and Family all rely on indoctrination to be effective .
Exactly. Familism is itself an unchallenged belief. After all in humid tropical societies matrilocality and matrilineality is or was the norm. Guys chase random ladies and seldom work. Ladies bring up the kids of who knows which men. Of course I strongly oppose such norms and such societies because I realize how disastrous they are to the future of humanity. However it is really just a matter of personal preference.
by EastKekistan » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:24 am
Heloin wrote:EastKekistan wrote:Exactly. Familism is itself an unchallenged belief. After all in humid tropical societies matrilocality and matrilineality is or was the norm. Guys chase random ladies and seldom work. Ladies bring up the kids of who knows which men. Of course I strongly oppose such norms and such societies because I realize how disastrous they are to the future of humanity. However it is really just a matter of personal preference.
Cute, another incel.
by Technoscience Leftwing » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:29 am
by East African Unitary State » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:30 am
by -Ocelot- » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:35 am
Heloin wrote:It is but it doesn't really matter. So long as people are free to practice their faith and not forcing anyone to stay in the faith it's all good.-Ocelot- wrote:
Because that's not the purpose of religion. Religion was designed as a way to control people, not teach them to think critically.
Religion came about as explanations for the way the world worked before we had any clue how to even find out how the world worked. A group of people agree on which unexplained thing made all these other unexplained things happen then bam, you got yourself a religion.
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