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[Tarsonis]

People actually campaign to remove that?

They’d be livid in England. Literally every village and town monument is a 10 to 30 foot cross.

That a lower court ordered it to be removed is concerning. The 1st Amendment is not well understood, even by judges.

To be fair to the lower courts they were using the Lemon Test as a guide.

[Tarsonis]

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Some good news for the day. Finally, some sanity coming back to the US. (Apologies to European members, the Link won't work for y'all.)

People actually campaign to remove that?

They’d be livid in England. Literally every village and town monument is a 10 to 30 foot cross.

England also has a state religion. The US does not.

[Tarsonis]

The Left Behind books are good(but very biased against Non-Protestants especially Catholics) but the films are offensive pandering crap.

Their theologically heretical too. The rapture isn’t real.

[Aeritai]

The Left Behind books are good(but very biased against Non-Protestants especially Catholics) but the films are offensive pandering crap.

Their theologically heretical too. The rapture isn’t real.

What do you mean its not real?

[Narland]

The Left Behind books are good(but very biased against Non-Protestants especially Catholics) but the films are offensive pandering crap.

Their theologically heretical too. The rapture isn’t real.

The Right Behind book by Nathan Wilson was better (and funny). The rapture isn't even good math. Jesus returns another time between the 1st Advent and the 2nd Advent. The 1.5 coming?

[Tarsonis]

Their theologically heretical too. The rapture isn’t real.

What do you mean its not real?

The idea of the Rapture, where the faithful are beamed up to heaven before the tribulation? Not real. It’s a neo-Protestant idea that came out of the second great awakening in the 19th century. There is no historical doctrine of a pretribulation exodus, nor is there accurate biblical support for it.

[Tarsonis]

Their theologically heretical too. The rapture isn’t real.

That's debated but interested in your view.

I've told God "fuck it whatever is true I'm fine with I'm confused and there are many good arguments."

It’s not really debated so much as broken along sectarian lines. People tend to believe which version their side does.

[Aeritai]

What do you mean its not real?

The idea of the Rapture, where the faithful are beamed up to heaven before the tribulation? Not real. It’s a neo-Protestant idea that came out of the second great awakening in the 19th century. There is no historical doctrine of a pretribulation exodus, nor is there accurate biblical support for it.

Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?

[Tarsonis]

The idea of the Rapture, where the faithful are beamed up to heaven before the tribulation? Not real. It’s a neo-Protestant idea that came out of the second great awakening in the 19th century. There is no historical doctrine of a pretribulation exodus, nor is there accurate biblical support for it.

Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?

In layman’s terms, yes.

[Aeritai]

Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?

In layman’s terms, yes.

Alright

[The Union of the West]

The idea of the Rapture, where the faithful are beamed up to heaven before the tribulation? Not real. It’s a neo-Protestant idea that came out of the second great awakening in the 19th century. There is no historical doctrine of a pretribulation exodus, nor is there accurate biblical support for it.

Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?

After the Last Judgment.

[Uiiop]

The Left Behind books are good(but very biased against Non-Protestants especially Catholics) but the films are offensive pandering crap.

You're going to have to sell me on it.

From what i understand the offensive pandering crap is in both. The movies(Well the non-cage ones) are only better because of the portrayal of the anti-Christ and "So-bad it's goodness" within it.

[Tarsonis]

Interesting so after the tribulation we will all be beamed up into heaven?

After the Last Judgment.

Second coming actually. The going up is what precedes the final judgement

[Tarsonis]

The Left Behind books are good(but very biased against Non-Protestants especially Catholics) but the films are offensive pandering crap.

You're going to have to sell me on it.

From what i understand the offensive pandering crap is in both. The movies(Well the non-cage ones) are only better because of the portrayal of the anti-Christ and "So-bad it's goodness" within it.

Depends which movie you watched: the Nick Cage version, or the lame version

[The Union of the West]

After the Last Judgment.

Second coming actually. The going up is what precedes the final judgement

Admittedly I’m somewhat ill informed on this. But wouldn’t the going up signify some sort of judgment? After all He has to judge who His faithful are in order to decide who gets ‘beamed up.’ So wouldn’t that render the Last Judgment somewhat useless? Am I missing something here?

[The Union of the West]

It’s not really debated so much as broken along sectarian lines. People tend to believe which version their side does.

I've given up and said "fuck it I'm down for whatever God does."

We can speculate all we want about what exactly is going to happen, but there isn’t much to gain from that. Just watch and pray and be prepared. He will come like a thief in the night.

[Tarsonis]

Second coming actually. The going up is what precedes the final judgement

Admittedly I’m somewhat ill informed on this. But wouldn’t the going up signify some sort of judgment? After all He has to judge who His faithful are in order to decide who gets ‘beamed up.’ So wouldn’t that render the Last Judgment somewhat useless? Am I missing something here?

Well remember we believe in purgatory, and the particular judgment.

[Tarsonis]

I've given up and said "fuck it I'm down for whatever God does."

We can speculate all we want about what exactly is going to happen, but there isn’t much to gain from that. Just watch and pray and be prepared. He will come like a thief in the night.

Pretty much this. I like to speculate on Revelation, cause it’s kind of amusing, but the reality is when it goes down humanity is just along for the ride at that point

[Narland]

That's debated but interested in your view.

I've told God "fuck it whatever is true I'm fine with I'm confused and there are many good arguments."

It’s not really debated so much as broken along sectarian lines. People tend to believe which version their side does.

It is a distinctive feature of American Fundamentalism. Dispensational Eschatology popularized by Plymouth Brethren, the Schofield Reference Bible amongst others, Dallas Theological Seminary and too many Tele-Evangelists to count, has a colorful and convoluted exegetical gymnastic that cuts and pastes mostly from the the Book of Daniel, Ezekiel, and the Apocalypse into a montage of semi-coherent prophecy with the other books of Scripture tossed in like a salad. The result is an entertaining speculation of what world events must happen next before Christ returns to beam his church up before the 2nd Advent.

[Aeritai]

Speaking of which do you guys ever see those random prophecy videos on Youtube? Like I was watching some type of art gospel music video and then in the recommended section I just see a video titled.

"MAN SEES VISIONS OF THE SECOND COMING IN 2028" or something like that I'm not sure.

[The Union of the West]

Speaking of which do you guys ever see those random prophecy videos on Youtube? Like I was watching some type of art gospel music video and then in the recommended section I just see a video titled.

"MAN SEES VISIONS OF THE SECOND COMING IN 2028" or something like that I'm not sure.

How does one see the year in a vision? St. John didn’t even see it.

[Europa Undivided]

Speaking of which do you guys ever see those random prophecy videos on Youtube? Like I was watching some type of art gospel music video and then in the recommended section I just see a video titled.

"MAN SEES VISIONS OF THE SECOND COMING IN 2028" or something like that I'm not sure.

I have seen them. None of them are to be taken seriously. Ever. They give the impression that Chrisrians are crackpots.

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.“ - Matthew 24:36

[Uiiop]

You're going to have to sell me on it.

From what i understand the offensive pandering crap is in both. The movies(Well the non-cage ones) are only better because of the portrayal of the anti-Christ and "So-bad it's goodness" within it.

Ok the premise I love haven't read them.

Like it's a good idea with good interesting possibilities.

Fair but i don't think the books themselves are where it's at.
Word on the street says that a movie just called the rapture was good.

You're going to have to sell me on it.

From what i understand the offensive pandering crap is in both. The movies(Well the non-cage ones) are only better because of the portrayal of the anti-Christ and "So-bad it's goodness" within it.

Depends which movie you watched: the Nick Cage version, or the lame version

The lame version natch.
I didn't talk about cage since i only heard about it.

[The Union of the West]

It’s also worth noting the spiritual harm of the rapture teaching, as it will leave many Christians woefully unprepared for what’s coming. Also implicit in it is the idea that because we’re all going to be beamed up to heaven, what happens in this world doesn’t matter (yet another example of Neo-Gnosticism seeping into Protestantism).

[Aeritai]

Speaking of which do you guys ever see those random prophecy videos on Youtube? Like I was watching some type of art gospel music video and then in the recommended section I just see a video titled.

"MAN SEES VISIONS OF THE SECOND COMING IN 2028" or something like that I'm not sure.

How does one see the year in a vision? St. John didn’t even see it.

Who knows, but I don't watch them while I know Jesus is returning one day. I do not worry about it since only God knows when the time shall come and we should not believe in youtube predictions.

Like Tars said a few months ago.

My advice? Don’t pay attention to the prophecy mongers, they’re always pretty reliably wrong, and they’re just going to detract you from actually living your life. As St. Paul says, only God knows the hour. Don’t sweat it, don’t even look for it, it will come when it comes. Just live as Christ commands, in the time you have.