The General Car Thread - The Facelift.

[Vassenor]

The top-finishing Fords in GTE-Pro and GTE-Am have been disqualified.

On one hand, Bergmeister and Porsche wins now! On the other hand, it's a meh way to win and Joey Hand gets screwed, hometown driver friend of a friend etc.

It's not really a good idea when you're in an endurance race and need to make your tires last as long as possible though.

It serves the same function of warming the tires, you don't lose a lap by burning out the tires. The rule is in place because pit space is tight with 60 some odd entries across four categories and with cars fishtailing out there's too too much of a chance of injury.

That's why I don't like LeMans. Fuel economy this, tires that, gas tank that...

Hahahaha...it's adorable that you think only Le Mans has those regulations. Apparently you've never watched any racing whatsoever. What a shock you're in for the day you discover Formula 1 rules...

Unsafe rejoin and not letting Mercedes win again. 5 second penalty.

[Cannot think of a name]

So yesterday I saw what looked like a Pontiac Fiero with Ferrari-style taillights. طراحی سایت

Doing that Ferrari Fiero kit one part at a time?

So yesterday I saw what looked like a Pontiac Fiero with Ferrari-style taillights.

Doing that Ferrari Fiero kit one part at a time?

It was the obvious conclusion, apparently.

[Petrolheadia]

That's why I don't like LeMans. Fuel economy this, tires that, gas tank that...

Hahahaha...it's adorable that you think only Le Mans has those regulations. Apparently you've never watched any racing whatsoever. What a shock you're in for the day you discover Formula 1 rules...

I don't watch that either.

[Cannot think of a name]

Hahahaha...it's adorable that you think only Le Mans has those regulations. Apparently you've never watched any racing whatsoever. What a shock you're in for the day you discover Formula 1 rules...

I don't watch that either.

You don't watch racing. You made that clear.

[Petrolheadia]

I don't watch that either.

You don't watch racing. You made that clear.

I don't watch much sport in general.

[Elwher]

The top-finishing Fords in GTE-Pro and GTE-Am have been disqualified.

On one hand, Bergmeister and Porsche wins now! On the other hand, it's a meh way to win and Joey Hand gets screwed, hometown driver friend of a friend etc.

It's not really a good idea when you're in an endurance race and need to make your tires last as long as possible though.

It serves the same function of warming the tires, you don't lose a lap by burning out the tires. The rule is in place because pit space is tight with 60 some odd entries across four categories and with cars fishtailing out there's too too much of a chance of injury.

That's why I don't like LeMans. Fuel economy this, tires that, gas tank that...

Hahahaha...it's adorable that you think only Le Mans has those regulations. Apparently you've never watched any racing whatsoever. What a shock you're in for the day you discover Formula 1 rules...

As a fan of sports car, Can-Am, and F1 racing since the late 1960's. I have to opine that there are way too many rules in place these days. And yes, I know the sport is safer but it's not as much fun to watch. Back in the day, the fastest car with the best driver won. Stealing the win from Vettel in Montreal is but another example.

[Cannot think of a name]

On one hand, Bergmeister and Porsche wins now! On the other hand, it's a meh way to win and Joey Hand gets screwed, hometown driver friend of a friend etc.

It serves the same function of warming the tires, you don't lose a lap by burning out the tires. The rule is in place because pit space is tight with 60 some odd entries across four categories and with cars fishtailing out there's too too much of a chance of injury.

Hahahaha...it's adorable that you think only Le Mans has those regulations. Apparently you've never watched any racing whatsoever. What a shock you're in for the day you discover Formula 1 rules...

As a fan of sports car, Can-Am, and F1 racing since the late 1960's. I have to opine that there are way too many rules in place these days. And yes, I know the sport is safer but it's not as much fun to watch. Back in the day, the fastest car with the best driver won. Stealing the win from Vettel in Montreal is but another example.

Cars have been losing in tech forever, and there have been the Smokey Yunicks of the world trying to get around them just as long. That's where 'if you ain't winnin' they're cheating' comes from.

Though the hands in the air formula of Can-Am was great. But then it creates a situation where the deepest pockets win.

[Patridam]

Any more data on its contents?

Late 60s/early 70s looking "premium" cars, full and midsize. Patridian made. A page with an big photo in a nice setting for each model, along with a sort of emotional appeal description. Technical pages with standard features and engine selections at back. All created in Automation and photographed in BeamNG.

And that picture does not show the car well enough.

Hardly. There's a ton of 60s and 70s brochures with cover pages that don't show the car *at all*.

[Elwher]

As a fan of sports car, Can-Am, and F1 racing since the late 1960's. I have to opine that there are way too many rules in place these days. And yes, I know the sport is safer but it's not as much fun to watch. Back in the day, the fastest car with the best driver won. Stealing the win from Vettel in Montreal is but another example.

Cars have been losing in tech forever, and there have been the Smokey Yunicks of the world trying to get around them just as long. That's where 'if you ain't winnin' they're cheating' comes from.

Though the hands in the air formula of Can-Am was great. But then it creates a situation where the deepest pockets win.

Sven there, remember the Chaparral issue, but I know what you are saying. Deepest pockets, yes, but they did make some great machines, did they not?

I have some problems with the tech restrictions, but I hate the driving restrictions even more. Vettel was just the latest example of a driver driving well but being penalized for it. He recovered, kept Hamilton from taking advantage of his error, and should have won the race.

[Costa Fierro]

Hahahaha...it's adorable that you think only Le Mans has those regulations. Apparently you've never watched any racing whatsoever. What a shock you're in for the day you discover Formula 1 rules...

Watching old Bathurst 1000 videos reminds me that the only reason (V8) Supercars have the rules they do is driver/team owners pushing existing rules.

[Cannot think of a name]

For all you boat lovers out there...

[Cannot think of a name]

Do I love this $430k? No. But I do love it.

[Novus America]

For all you boat lovers out there...

I would probably avoid cars from the late 70s.
The build quality was usually quite poor.

[NeoOasis]

For all you boat lovers out there...

I would probably avoid cars from the late 70s.
The build quality was usually quite poor.

This is not an exceptional car by any stretch of the imagination. I'd skip it personally. 5k is asking a bit much for yet another GM rebadge of something or another.

And don't forget, it wasn't just build quality that was poor, but also material quality.

[Patridam]

For all you boat lovers out there...

Ah, that's barely a boat. Too narrow to count as truly yacht like.

Also, @NeoOasis and @NovusAmerica don't be too harsh to malaise cars. They're usually better than stereotypes will tell you. The GM E bodies like this are actually some of the better cars of the era depending on the engine.

Compare the Cadillac equivalent to this car and it's generally favorable review: https://youtu.be/vP3Y9WGYFJM
o the worst quality 70s America had to offer: https://youtu.be/zP9429qtWTc

[NeoOasis]

For all you boat lovers out there...

Ah, that's barely a boat. Too narrow to count as truly yacht like.

Also, @NeoOasis and @NovusAmerica don't be too harsh to malaise cars. They're usually better than stereotypes will tell you. The GM E bodies like this are actually some of the better cars of the era depending on the engine.

Compare the Cadillac equivalent to this car and it's generally favorable review: https://youtu.be/vP3Y9WGYFJM
o the worst quality 70s America had to offer: https://youtu.be/zP9429qtWTc

I've driven a few cars from the era, and I was left less than impressed. I can confirm the thing was down on power, out on build quality, and the materials didn't feel spectacular. Saying the mailaise era cars were not that bad still points to them being mediocre at best.

[Patridam]

I've driven a few cars from the era, and I was left less than impressed. I can confirm the thing was down on power, out on build quality, and the materials didn't feel spectacular. Saying the mailaise era cars were not that bad still points to them being mediocre at best.

I've driven many malaise cars, but I've also driven a few pre-malaise e.g. 1960s cars. Most of them were short on power and all had either poor materials quality and/or fit and finish, not really any better than the malaise cars, though the equivalent malaise cars were more efficient and easier to handle.

All classic cars are lousy by modern objective standards, 70s/80s cars are neither an exception to the rule nor any worse about it. What's your point?

[NeoOasis]

I've driven a few cars from the era, and I was left less than impressed. I can confirm the thing was down on power, out on build quality, and the materials didn't feel spectacular. Saying the mailaise era cars were not that bad still points to them being mediocre at best.

I've driven many malaise cars, but I've also driven a few pre-malaise e.g. 1960s cars. Most of them were short on power and all had either poor materials quality and/or fit and finish, not really any better than the malaise cars, though the equivalent malaise cars were more efficient and easier to handle.

All classic cars are lousy by modern objective standards, 70s/80s cars are neither an exception to the rule nor any worse about it. What's your point?

My point is I personally find that era fairly crap and I don't feel I'm being too harsh on them at all. If we want to drag older cars into this, I'll grant you fit and finish wasn't brilliant for American cars, but there was far more style than the box on a box within a box of the 70s and early 80s. And despite being a decade or so newer, cars of the 70s were strangled on power thanks to lazy efforts of automakers to meet emissions standards.

You @me over being harsh to 70s cars. I have responded.

[Novus America]

I've driven a few cars from the era, and I was left less than impressed. I can confirm the thing was down on power, out on build quality, and the materials didn't feel spectacular. Saying the mailaise era cars were not that bad still points to them being mediocre at best.

I've driven many malaise cars, but I've also driven a few pre-malaise e.g. 1960s cars. Most of them were short on power and all had either poor materials quality and/or fit and finish, not really any better than the malaise cars, though the equivalent malaise cars were more efficient and easier to handle.

All classic cars are lousy by modern objective standards, 70s/80s cars are neither an exception to the rule nor any worse about it. What's your point?

Certainly the style, materials, fit and finish of pre malaise cars was better, even if technologically they were of course inferior to modern ones.

In the malaise era the car companies went on a cost cutting at all cost spree, implemented measures to improve fuel economy without the technology to make it work, and it shows.

[Petrolheadia]

For all you boat lovers out there...

Coincidentally, I'm currently playing GTA IV with my realistic handling and spawn frequency mod, and I just made the Virgo my daily driver around Liberty City.

It's a rarher fitting car for a playthrough that also involves a chase between two 80s American sedans, kicking a man out of the window and into a river, getting a shotgun in a super-liberal city and hitting the strip club to the sound of AC/DC, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin.

[East Fredonia]

For all you boat lovers out there...

*Mr. Regular voice* BROOOOWWWWWWNNNNN

[Auzkhia]

For all you boat lovers out there...

*Mr. Regular voice* BROOOOWWWWWWNNNNN

Mmm, Malaise.

This is the first year it went FWD, right?

[Cannot think of a name]

Another weekend, another 24 hour race. This time Nüburgring. I may be watching solely to see what the hell a racing X-Bow looks like in the field. With over 20 classes there's no way I'm keeping track of what the hell is going on beyond SP9 which is FIA GT 3 cars. Porsche Benz Porsche at the moment.

There is an Opel Manta out there with a racoon tail on its antennae like it was the 70s.

[Cannot think of a name]

How long have I been watching this race and not a single X-bow sighting. First through third were in question until the second place AMG made out with a wall. Now it's two Porsches and then these two Audi GTs from different teams that are racing like it's fucking NASCAR.

There are like a hundred damn classes. I'm only paying attention to the top one, SP 9.

[Cannot think of a name]

When you're ready to get serious about the zombie apocalypse.