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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I can't tell whether this is a self-depricatory joke, or a plain and proud statement.


The latter.

You sure?
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I can't tell whether this is a self-depricatory joke, or a plain and proud statement.


The latter.

Definitely the latter.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:59 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Because I'm a sexist.

I can't tell whether this is a self-depricatory joke, or a plain and proud statement.

You don't know me, do you?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:01 am

Diopolis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I can't tell whether this is a self-depricatory joke, or a plain and proud statement.

You don't know me, do you?

Not all that well. Why?
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I'm an 18 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:01 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The latter.

You sure?


Yes lol

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:02 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Diopolis wrote:You don't know me, do you?

Not all that well. Why?

It shows. Dio doesn't joke. Ever.

...That's what makes him so funny.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:04 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Not all that well. Why?

It shows. Dio doesn't joke. Ever.

...That's what makes him so funny.

Fair enough. It seems I have a lot to learn.


So Dio, when you say you're a sexist, what does sexism mean to you?
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I'm an 18 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:12 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:It shows. Dio doesn't joke. Ever.

...That's what makes him so funny.

Fair enough. It seems I have a lot to learn.


So Dio, when you say you're a sexist, what does sexism mean to you?

Men and women are different. Thus they have different rights and ought to have different privileges and social roles. Attempting to erase their differences is foolish and counterproductive; a civilized and sane society encourages its children to become manly men and womanly women.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:13 am

Diopolis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Fair enough. It seems I have a lot to learn.


So Dio, when you say you're a sexist, what does sexism mean to you?

Men and women are different. Thus they have different rights and ought to have different privileges and social roles. Attempting to erase their differences is foolish and counterproductive; a civilized and sane society encourages its children to become manly men and womanly women.

In short, Sanity.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:17 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Men and women are different. Thus they have different rights and ought to have different privileges and social roles. Attempting to erase their differences is foolish and counterproductive; a civilized and sane society encourages its children to become manly men and womanly women.

In short, Sanity.

But anything sane is either racist or sexist these days. Unless it's also homophobic.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:18 am

Diopolis wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:In short, Sanity.

But anything sane is either racist or sexist these days. Unless it's also homophobic.

So what if its all 3?

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:19 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:But anything sane is either racist or sexist these days. Unless it's also homophobic.

So what if its all 3?

Have to say one of them first, after all.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:20 am

Diopolis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Fair enough. It seems I have a lot to learn.


So Dio, when you say you're a sexist, what does sexism mean to you?

Men and women are different. Thus they have different rights and ought to have different privileges and social roles. Attempting to erase their differences is foolish and counterproductive; a civilized and sane society encourages its children to become manly men and womanly women.

Righto. I still think that it's a good idea for a woman to try hard labour, and see if it suits her or if she gets anything out of it. I think anybody should try anything unless that thing is harmful.

I'd also recommend against deadpan calling yourself sexist you want give the impression that you hate women (or men) or remove legal gender equality.
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Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm an 18 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:24 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Men and women are different. Thus they have different rights and ought to have different privileges and social roles. Attempting to erase their differences is foolish and counterproductive; a civilized and sane society encourages its children to become manly men and womanly women.

Righto. I still think that it's a good idea for a woman to try hard labour, and see if it suits her or if she gets anything out of it. I think anybody should try anything unless that thing is harmful.

I'm not totally opposed to the idea of national service for women, but not in the military or hard physical labor. A woman's nature is oriented to caretaking(and besides which, there are certain tasks which need a woman for more practical reasons, such as strip searches for women), and society ought to encourage women to be true to their natures.
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:25 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Men and women are different. Thus they have different rights and ought to have different privileges and social roles. Attempting to erase their differences is foolish and counterproductive; a civilized and sane society encourages its children to become manly men and womanly women.

Righto. I still think that it's a good idea for a woman to try hard labour, and see if it suits her or if she gets anything out of it. I think anybody should try anything unless that thing is harmful.

I'd also recommend against deadpan calling yourself sexist you want give the impression that you hate women (or men) or remove legal gender equality.

I'm opposed to universal suffrage.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:26 am

Diopolis wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
If I recall correctly, people with autism aren't (generally speaking) allowed to serve in the military. And thank you for wishing me well.

I had a blood pressure issue, so I didn't enlist. But if I hadn't I might well have joined ROTC and gone through college. How different it might have been...

If you could've joined, which Branch of the Military would you have liked to join?

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:28 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I had a blood pressure issue, so I didn't enlist. But if I hadn't I might well have joined ROTC and gone through college. How different it might have been...

If you could've joined, which Branch of the Military would you have liked to join?

Probably an engineering specialty in the navy.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:35 am

Diopolis wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:If you could've joined, which Branch of the Military would you have liked to join?

Probably an engineering specialty in the navy.

Given your serious, no-nonsense, temperament, that would probably suit you well.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:39 am

Wow, I'm really glad sexism is back in style. Here I thought maybe that we had moved past seeing women as incubators and servants.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Wow, I'm really glad sexism is back in style. Here I thought maybe that we had moved past seeing women as incubators and servants.

Did it ever go out of style?

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 am

Diopolis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Fair enough. It seems I have a lot to learn.


So Dio, when you say you're a sexist, what does sexism mean to you?

Men and women are different. Thus they have different rights and ought to have different privileges and social roles. Attempting to erase their differences is foolish and counterproductive; a civilized and sane society encourages its children to become manly men and womanly women.

If you believe that people have certain natural roles and places within your social order, then having to enforce that social order proves that it is in fact (to at least some degree, anyway) an artificial construct. Otherwise, given freedom to choose, people will gravitate towards those tasks on their own, and there is no need to enforce it. (This is different from other forms of law enforcement because most other crimes, such as murder and theft, are crimes because they are unquestionably harmful in virtually every circumstance. Taking advantage of your economic freedoms to find the most efficient place in the economy isn't a crime in most countries, and the ones where it is a crime aren't known for having happy populations or productive economies.)
Forcing a woman to become a caregiver when her skills and interests lean more towards construction, and then forcing a man into the construction job she would have filled when his skills and interests lean more towards childcare, isn't just deeply unfair, it's also very inefficient, since neither of them will perform their assigned tasks as well as the other would have.
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:41 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Wow, I'm really glad sexism is back in style. Here I thought maybe that we had moved past seeing women as incubators and servants.

Suggesting we as a collective ever did move past that view.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:42 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:Did it ever go out of style?

In civilized sections of society, yes.
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:42 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Probably an engineering specialty in the navy.

Given your serious, no-nonsense, temperament, that would probably suit you well.

Once people hear me talk and realize I don't have a german accent, I usually get mistaken for former military. I suspect being into guns and having good posture just tends to have that effect, whether you have an overly serious temperament or not.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:43 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Did it ever go out of style?

In civilized sections of society, yes.

By "Civilized" do you mean Progressive?

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