by Napoleonic-Russia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:35 am
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:42 am
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Bombadil » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:43 am
by The Free Joy State » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:50 am
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:55 am
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by The Snazzylands » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:55 am
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:56 am
The Snazzylands wrote:I think that, due to our nature as subjective beings, it is impossible for us to know whether absolute truth exists, and if it did, it would be fundamentally unreachable for us. But the belief in objective truth and striving to get as close as possible to it are positive things imo, so it's good to assume that there is absolute truth.
Morality is something I see as ultimately subjective, though I believe we have an intrinsic "moral compass" or instincts we have developed by virtue of being social creatures. I'm talking about values that would help us survive and thrive as a species, and that practically all cultures agree are morally good: empathy, kindness, generosity, honesty, loyalty, and caring for ones' family and community, etc.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:58 am
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Napoleonic-Russia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:58 am
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Ok, my views:
Absolute Truth and Absolute Morality exist. They are divine principles set to guide humanity in right and wrong. There cannot be multiple, contradictory absolute truths, as that would confer many deities, which would wreak havoc on the universe. So there is one Absolute Truth and and one Absolute Morality created by one Absolute Supreme Being: Allah SWT.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:01 am
Napoleonic-Russia wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Ok, my views:
Absolute Truth and Absolute Morality exist. They are divine principles set to guide humanity in right and wrong. There cannot be multiple, contradictory absolute truths, as that would confer many deities, which would wreak havoc on the universe. So there is one Absolute Truth and and one Absolute Morality created by one Absolute Supreme Being: Allah SWT.
But doesn’t this assume that absolute truth exists, thus using a belief to defend that exact belief? I disagree, as differing truths don’t have to conflict nor lead to havoc, while absolute truth CAN lead to havoc, trying to define the complexities and mysteries of the universe, and human soul?
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Napoleonic-Russia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:02 am
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Also, what if you believe in both Absolute Truth and Morality like me? Does the "Yes" option cover that?
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:02 am
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Napoleonic-Russia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:03 am
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Napoleonic-Russia wrote:But doesn’t this assume that absolute truth exists, thus using a belief to defend that exact belief? I disagree, as differing truths don’t have to conflict nor lead to havoc, while absolute truth CAN lead to havoc, trying to define the complexities and mysteries of the universe, and human soul?
The one who created the human soul obvs knows what truths are held and which aren't, what morality should be upheld and what shouldn't. Also read my edited post, I made another paragraph about Absolute Truth.
by The Free Joy State » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:04 am
The Snazzylands wrote:
Morality is something I see as ultimately subjective, though I believe we have an intrinsic "moral compass" or instincts we have developed by virtue of being social creatures. I'm talking about values that would help us survive and thrive as a species, and that practically all cultures agree are morally good: empathy, kindness, generosity, honesty, loyalty, and caring for ones' family and community, etc.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:05 am
Napoleonic-Russia wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:The one who created the human soul obvs knows what truths are held and which aren't, what morality should be upheld and what shouldn't. Also read my edited post, I made another paragraph about Absolute Truth.
So that means absolute truth isn’t eternal, nor universal, as it didn’t exist forever. Making it NOT absolute, and saying that the universe can function with no definite truth.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Bombadil » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:05 am
by Napoleonic-Russia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:06 am
The Free Joy State wrote:You might want to read this and rework your OP.
As for morals: things we can think of as objective (not to murder or rape) are things that are beneficial to the maximum number of people. But religious morals are not absolute.
The OP needs to be expanded to be sure exactly what you mean.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:06 am
The Free Joy State wrote:The Snazzylands wrote:
Morality is something I see as ultimately subjective, though I believe we have an intrinsic "moral compass" or instincts we have developed by virtue of being social creatures. I'm talking about values that would help us survive and thrive as a species, and that practically all cultures agree are morally good: empathy, kindness, generosity, honesty, loyalty, and caring for ones' family and community, etc.
There is actually evidence that suggests humans may well be born with empathy -- or (if not) at least develop it very early -- suggesting a kind of "moral compass", at least towards prosocial interactions (while not suggestive of an objective morality).
Research with infants aged 8-16 months tested infant distress to other infants' crying, their mother pretending to hit her thumb and the mother pretending to bump her knee and found that all the infants in the sample showed empathy.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Napoleonic-Russia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:07 am
by The Free Joy State » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:09 am
Napoleonic-Russia wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:You might want to read this and rework your OP.
As for morals: things we can think of as objective (not to murder or rape) are things that are beneficial to the maximum number of people. But religious morals are not absolute.
The OP needs to be expanded to be sure exactly what you mean.
Even murder is subjective. We would either consider all military veterans and active members, along with police, as murderers, or no one as a murderer at all. This is the issue with absolute morality, and absolute truth gives birth to absolute morality.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:10 am
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:11 am
Napoleonic-Russia wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:You might want to read this and rework your OP.
As for morals: things we can think of as objective (not to murder or rape) are things that are beneficial to the maximum number of people. But religious morals are not absolute.
The OP needs to be expanded to be sure exactly what you mean.
Even murder is subjective. We would either consider all military veterans and active members, along with police, as murderers, or no one as a murderer at all. This is the issue with absolute morality, and absolute truth gives birth to absolute morality.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Napoleonic-Russia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:13 am
Bombadil wrote:I suppose one has to answer 'truth about what?'
There is truth without the human mind and then there's the fuzzy nature of perception. Hence that quote that the only consistent position of philosophers is that every other philosopher is wrong.
by Napoleonic-Russia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:16 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Napoleonic-Russia wrote:Even murder is subjective. We would either consider all military veterans and active members, along with police, as murderers, or no one as a murderer at all. This is the issue with absolute morality, and absolute truth gives birth to absolute morality.
To do so would involve playing fast and loose with our acknowledged definition of murder, which is an illegal killing with malice aforethought.
Of course, you could ask how it would be for the military to bring down their opponents with cuddles and not killing (were you engaging in a thought experiment), but the fact is that murder has a definition.
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