Iran vs the US Thread

[North German Realm]

Just because they are now doesn't mean they have to keep being allies.

They're not going to terminate such alliance anytime soon. At least the US isn't. Disgusting as the Saudi State is, it is necessary for American interests in the Middle East, at least as long as Iran continues on its retarded Eternal Islamic Revolution path.

Ok, in the future avoid run-ons like that. It took me about 5 reads to work out what you were trying to say and I'll be honest I still don't quite know what that had to do with anything.

Point taken. I'll attempt to be more clear next time.

They don't have to still be allies. there is nothing requiring the US to stay allied to Saudi Arabia forever no matter what horrible things it does. There is no reason the US can't tell the Saudi Government to go fuck itself.

*shrugs*. strategic reasons making an alliance with the Saudis necessary aside, fact remains that they are allies at this moment and it is very unlikely for them to stop being so anytime soon. There are many things the US (and NATO) can do that "there is no reason not to", but given current political and diplomatic climate, The US abandoning Saudis to Iran is not one of them, so your point is really invalid.

What has Iran done recently that effects the US or NATO that they should care about?

Apart from various acts of sabotage against American/NATO-led missions against ISIS in the Syrian-Iraqi civil war and the act of taking US Navy officers hostage (all taken by IRGC, thankfully now recognized for the terrorist organization it is), acts of assassination taken by, again, the IRGC, and support of acts of terrorism -breaking almost all rules of war- taken by various other terrorist organizations against Israel, yet another American-NATO ally? I'm not sure what more they should have done, tbh. (All this is from 2015-2019, mind you, nothing "ancient" like invasion of another country's soil i.e. the occupation of the American Embassy in 1980 and the British Embassy in 2011, etc. etc.)

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Trouble is the US always thinks it can solve every problem with massive over kill.

[Zhivotnoye]

Depending on who you ask, it might be necessary.

I'm not asking them, I'm stating my opinion. You dont have to try and get me to see things from another side

It's necessary though, if you want to understand the subject and judge it in a fair and neutral way.

Can someone explain to me (I’m a non American so I’m confused)...

What’s with America starting all these wars in places several continents away?

What’s there to gain? What’s the point?

How did the leaders wake up one day and say “let’s attack country X in the Middle East. It will cost billions and people will die and we can’t even create a colony anymore because colonies are not in fashion... let’s do it, it will be a good idea.”

I was expecting that after Afghanistan this “thing” would fade but it’s surprisingly persistent.

Iraq, Syria (sort of)... and now Iran too?

What is the point of this?

Influence. If the U.S. wants to stay on top it has to exercise and expand its influence. War an important way for the U.S. to enforce this influence.

[Farnhamia]

So two more oil tankers have been attacked in the Gulf of Oman, and Mike Pompeo has blamed Iran due to an assessment "based on intelligence", but has not offered actual evidence to support his claim except to say that "no proxy group operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act with such a high degree of sophistication".

The report from the first Norwegian owned tanker is a that fire broke out after an explosion and that the cause of the blast was unclear. The second Japanese tanker report they were hit twice with some sort of shell. The crew of USS navy ship has also reported that they saw an unexploded limpet mine on the side of one of the tankers. US Navy has sent more ships to the region to provide 'security'
Iran denies any involvement and Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said "suspicious doesn't begin to describe what likely transpired this morning".

The attack occured in the middle of a visit by Japans PM Shinzo Abe to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei trying to act as a mediator, however after the attack the Ayatollah declared that "The Islamic Republic of Iran has no trust in America"

“If there is something the world cannot afford, it is a major confrontation in the Gulf region,” United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres told the United Nations Security Council when they discussed the attack

Oh and Oil Prices have already jumped

So NSG, do you think that the US will drum up enough support to use this incident as an excuse to attack Iran? The virtuous enlightened leaders of Saudi Arabia are of course backing their US financiers to accuse Iran. But what possible reason could Iran have to make the attacks? Theyre already suffering Trumps isolationist ban. The US said they would produce evidence and are yet to do so, other than this latest incident.

So NSG, who dunnit?

https://www.ft.com/content/45c94f4a-8da ... bf8f989972

[Risottia]

I love the smell of Tonkin Gulf in the morning. It smells like yellowcake uranium.

[Stiltball]

As Sajid Javid seems eager to please the Americans by signing the extradition request for Julian Assange maybe he will do a Bliar and produce a dodgy dossier and help his leadership quest at the same time.

Some possible suspects other than Iran
-Saudis trying to stigmatise and weaken Iran.
- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.
- Yanks testing the water and pre election boost for Republicans.

[Vistulange]

- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.

Uhm, the easiest and least costly way to do this might be to lift the sanctions on Iran, instead of engaging in a war that'll be probably very bloody and extremely long, with a rather long period of occupation and a nearly impossible process of state-building in the aftermath...

[-Ocelot-]

Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.

[Risottia]

Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.

Exactly, when did Iran ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger and not as a retaliation to a nuclear strike?

[Free Arabian Nation]

Oh lord, it begins

[-Ocelot-]

Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.

Exactly, when did Iran ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger and not as a retaliation to a nuclear strike?

Thanks for proving my point.

[North German Realm]

I was this close to making the thread myself tbh. Anyway, Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.

[Eglaecia]

Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.

Yeah sorry but America has lied about their cause for war for both Iraq and Vietnam, I don't trust them to be telling the truth about Iran, no matter how much I hate Iran.

[Gig em Aggies]

Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.

I didn't know Sarge and Master chief were involved the covenant must be involved somehow maybe plotting with the Iranians on how to attack civilian ships.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx

[Free Arabian Nation]

Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx

Yes

[North German Realm]

Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.

Yeah sorry but America has lied about their cause for war for both Iraq and Vietnam, I don't trust them to be telling the truth about Iran, no matter how much I hate Iran.

America lied about neither Iraq nor Vietnam. Iraq had chemical weapons (it used them in Kuwait, Iran, and even in the Gulf War) and was this close to getting nukes, and really, the war on Vietnam was always about how "Commies are getting into power and if they do, they might go after other countries in the area" which... well, it had Commies, they were going to win without NATO help, and they did result in fellow Communist regimes getting propped in neighboring areas, namely Cambodia -the Khmer Rouge and later the People's Republic- and Laos, the latter of which is still socialist).

[Gig em Aggies]

Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.

Yeah sorry but America has lied about their cause for war for both Iraq and Vietnam, I don't trust them to be telling the truth about Iran, no matter how much I hate Iran.

TBF in Vietnam the French dragged the US into the war and once we took over they left us with a mess so that's our fault and neither is Iraq but leave those to another thread.

[Fartsniffage]

Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx

You don't kill your customers. That's just bad business.

[North German Realm]

Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx

I for one support that motion the moment the Islamic Republic's been removed and its leaders hanged like the criminals they are.

[Sundowers]

this reeks of the tanker war during the late 80s, apparently some US offical said that we will see if we should re-flag some of the tankers.

[Soviet Tankistan]

Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx

That would be better to see. Unfortunately the Trump administration is too concerned for their own riches to speak against Saudi Arabia.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx

You don't kill your customers. That's just bad business.

Nonsense. Then you can keep their money and get your stuff back. It's a win-win!

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

OOF

Nice knowing ya, Khamenei.

[Duhon]

USS Maine, two centuries later.