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by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:56 pm
Bombadil wrote:Just as an update..
Hospital authorities told broadcaster RTHK that 72 people had been taken to hospital and two were in a serious condition. Pictures and videos on social media appeared to show people wounded by rubber bullets or bean-bag rounds, which police fired from shotguns.
However it seems the crowd has dissipated, the area is somewhat closed off.. kind of a pain in that Admiralty is quite a transport hub and no trains are stopping there for the moment.
I don't think anyone has any idea what happens next.
by Great Minarchistan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:59 pm
-Ocelot- wrote:Realistically, what will happen to HK if it gets completely absorbed by China? How will it be affected in the long run?
I imagine that simplified Mandarin will be promoted over Cantonese but how will their society change otherwise? Will the Chinese state give the OK for buildings to be made in currently restricted areas, thus lowering HKs insane rents, for example? Who benefits more from this integration?
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:01 pm
The South Falls wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No insurgent group ever will match the power of a state force, and if your insurgents think they will they're coming at it all wrong. You're not going to meet them in the field for an honorable engagement. Shoot them on their way to work, burn their homes, carry out random sniper attacks (there's actually a whole book on this one called Fry the Brain, would highly recommend) etc etc. Mao was absolutely right that political power grows from the gun, more people need to take that lesson to heart.
I'm not sure it would be easier per se but it is also very possible to also do that.
A long-term insurgency is impossible to maintain, without entirely destroying hong kong and all of its prospects. Starting something like the troubles would be detrimental to hong kong. Who says China won't destroy all of hong kong with scorched earth tactics.
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:02 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:The South Falls wrote: A long-term insurgency is impossible to maintain, without entirely destroying hong kong and all of its prospects. Starting something like the troubles would be detrimental to hong kong. Who says China won't destroy all of hong kong with scorched earth tactics.
you truly don't understand the culture here if you think the people here would have, on average, the self-sacrifice required to sustain an insurgency
there isn't any ideological spirit to sustain it; the people here (on average) only care about the size of their pay check and providing for their families
there's no Communism, jihadism, or latin American militant pro-democratic spirit
The vast majority of the people at those protests would have had their parents calling them on the phone to come home (and many probably did in large part due to that); this is what you're dealing with
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:07 pm
by Tuthina » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:07 pm
14:54:02 <Lykens> Explain your definition of Reno.
11:47 <Swilatia> Good god, copy+paste is no way to build a country!
03:08 <Democratic Koyro> NSG senate is a glaring example of why no one in NSG should ever have a position of authority
by Farnhamia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:09 pm
Tuthina wrote:Farnhamia wrote:There's 7.4 million Hong Kongers, where they gonna go?
Well, a lot of those with means are in Canada or have Canadian residence, so that could work out for them. My own extended family probably has more Canadian than HKer. Not that I expect said massive flight to actually take place, though.
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:11 pm
Tuthina wrote:Farnhamia wrote:There's 7.4 million Hong Kongers, where they gonna go?
Well, a lot of those with means are in Canada or have Canadian residence, so that could work out for them. My own extended family probably has more Canadian than HKer. Not that I expect said massive flight to actually take place, though.
by Bombadil » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:13 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:14 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
you truly don't understand the culture here if you think the people here would have, on average, the self-sacrifice required to sustain an insurgency
there isn't any ideological spirit to sustain it; the people here (on average) only care about the size of their pay check and providing for their families
there's no Communism, jihadism, or latin American militant pro-democratic spirit
The vast majority of the people at those protests would have had their parents calling them on the phone to come home (and many probably did in large part due to that); this is what you're dealing with
Sounds like we need to start a propaganda campaign to change that.
by Great Minarchistan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:14 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:17 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:20 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:^
When I went to an Americanized international school here back in the day here... we sometimes mingled with cantonese kids from the local school system.
The teachers held a joint exercise where we were asked to discuss our dreams and aspirations in life or the meaning of life. All of us from the westernised school had very different answers ("oh I want to become a great artist," "I want have a balanced life and be happy with my family," or "I want to accomplish something great in history").
The cantonese kids from the local school system, almost 100% of them had the same answer:
"Make lots of money. Have children."
The end.
by Duhon » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:22 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:^
When I went to an Americanized international school here back in the day here... we sometimes mingled with cantonese kids from the local school system.
The teachers held a joint exercise where we were asked to discuss our dreams and aspirations in life or the meaning of life. All of us from the westernised school had very different answers ("oh I want to become a great artist," "I want have a balanced life and be happy with my family," or "I want to accomplish something great in history").
The cantonese kids from the local school system, almost 100% of them had the same answer:
"Make lots of money. Have children."
The end.
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:23 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:^
When I went to an Americanized international school here back in the day here... we sometimes mingled with cantonese kids from the local school system.
The teachers held a joint exercise where we were asked to discuss our dreams and aspirations in life or the meaning of life. All of us from the westernised school had very different answers ("oh I want to become a great artist," "I want have a balanced life and be happy with my family," or "I want to accomplish something great in history").
The cantonese kids from the local school system, almost 100% of them had the same answer:
"Make lots of money. Have children."
The end.
A most useful pool of labor indeed
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:26 pm
Duhon wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:^
When I went to an Americanized international school here back in the day here... we sometimes mingled with cantonese kids from the local school system.
The teachers held a joint exercise where we were asked to discuss our dreams and aspirations in life or the meaning of life. All of us from the westernised school had very different answers ("oh I want to become a great artist," "I want have a balanced life and be happy with my family," or "I want to accomplish something great in history").
The cantonese kids from the local school system, almost 100% of them had the same answer:
"Make lots of money. Have children."
The end.
"Panem. Circenses. Thanatos."
by Duhon » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:26 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Great Minarchistan wrote:A most useful pool of labor indeed
This place is literally (for better or worse) pretty close to the free market being at complete work both in practice and in ideology
in other countries other values may cause distortions in how we should treat and reward workers (it's not all about money, there's a lot of soft factors)...
here, if you want things done (at least for a traditional cantonese organization which is 90% plus), offer a bigger pay check, that's what holds the societal power and motivates
in a lot of ways, its quite simplified
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:29 pm
Duhon wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
This place is literally (for better or worse) pretty close to the free market being at complete work both in practice and in ideology
in other countries other values may cause distortions in how we should treat and reward workers (it's not all about money, there's a lot of soft factors)...
here, if you want things done (at least for a traditional cantonese organization which is 90% plus), offer a bigger pay check, that's what holds the societal power and motivates
in a lot of ways, its quite simplified
Work. Eat. Play. Retire. Die.
by Farnhamia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:31 pm
by Bombadil » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:33 pm
by Bombadil » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:40 pm
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