[DEFEATED] Condemn the Land of Kings and Emperors

[Leporias]

The author does have a grudge against LKE. They used to be allied through UIAF. LKE is a strong bastion of hope, native rights and democracy in this dangerously authoritarian raider dominated world.

I haven't heard of this conflict before, seeing as this conflict seems to have been going on for years & I only joined last November. So please. excuse me for saying this.

Can someone please fill me in on the details of this? What's the UIAF? Also, what has the LKE done that makes it a "strong bastion of hope, native rights and democracy"?

[Lord Dominator]

I didn't think I could feel sarcasm through a computer screen until now, assuming it is sarcasm.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC:This might be relevant

[Eumaeus]

I'm sure that the this, or some version of it, will officially be posted by someone representing LKE at some point, but I thought it may be informative to debate here that the Land of Kings and Emporers have posted a "Response and Rebuttal to the Condemnation Proposal"

Edit: I got ninja'd.

[Leporias]

OOC:This might be relevant

I wonder what Consular will have to say to this once they read this.

[Blueflarst]

http://prntscr.com/nv2o0x this link explains the bullying some people is doing to our allies.

It is unfair condeming a region for some military wars againist others.

The L.K.E has been always a refugee to all monarchist nations and as a monarchist nation whom was member of it in 2016 i strongly support them againist this condemnation.
o ther fellow monarchies i sugguest you vote againist we can not end having the main monarchist region of Nation States condemned by an small group of resented ones wanting vengeances.
This big region is not an invader one and is not colonizing and destroying other nations usually, it only conquered a few regions in pure expansionist way like some monarchies use to do.

To my fellow monarchist we must stop this to ensure the monarchy as a valid option to other nations if they condemn their region they are condemning all of us.
If you have question of my motives to support them apart of being monarchy. I was in their region in 2016 and was awarded the 6 order of service

[Emazia]

Attorney-General of the LKE here.

First off:

...propagation of blatant lies..

Your slander is duly noted, Consular. We, the international community, would actually like some evidence of these, quite frankly libellous accusations. Perhaps it is you that should be accused of the propagation of these defamatory statements backed by no evidence and by no context. I'd much rather believe that there is a teapot exists between the Earth and Mars, completely invisible to any observing equipment. I think I'd duly find the evidence in the teapot, wouldn't I?

...and boring everyone to death with catastrophically uninteresting text..

Yeah, no, you've just bored everyone to death with this proposal. Tell me, who did you hire to make this boring old proposal, Ayn Rand or Stephenie Meyer? I've had more fun reading Atlas Shrugged than looking through this proposal. It's full of more boring hot air than the Hindenburg. And like the Hindenburg, we're all going to see it crash and burn.

I'll look over the rest with my fellow region-dwellers and come back to you. Because I actually put some thought into these.

EDIT: In fact, there's no need for me to do so: the Emperor and his team have already handled the rebuking of this slanderous document which forces the, and if I may quote the proposal, propagation of blatant lies through the community.

EDITS 2 AND 3: Just formatting and grammar.

[Blueflarst]

The Security Council,

Reaffirming its dedication to the dissemination of inter-regional peace and goodwill, and its right to condemn those who act consistently and unapologetically against this goal,

Rejecting the spurious notion that a region has some kind of perverse sovereign right to cause unjustified damage to others through acts of random aggression, and the dangerous notion that selfish regional interests should take precedence over protecting inter-regional peace and doing what is right,

Asserting that the Land of Kings and Emperors ("the LKE") has historically acted as a belligerent state on the world stage, yet has thus far escaped consequences through corrupting inter-regional politics, propagation of blatant lies, and the nefarious tactic of boring everyone to death with walls of catastrophically uninteresting text,

Enumerating the numerous acts of invasion that the LKE has lead or contributed to, and the senseless harm the LKE has callously propagated without remorse, which includes:

1. Random invasion and acts of destruction against too many regions to comprehensively list, but which include Belgium, The True Rebirth, Middle Earth, Fidelia, Soviet Union, Argartha, Zhe Intranational Communist, Hogwarts, Scotland, The Soviet Bloc, Slavya, Ixnay, Canada, the Coalition of Catholic States, Eastern Europe, Region Inc, Equestria, Atheist Empire, Meridon, South Pacific, The Union, Liberty Alliance, Forest, Belgium again, Philippines, Asia, Latinoamerica, The International Kingdom, The Union of Red Nations, Westphalia, United Islands, and Iran.
2. Invasion, occupation, and eventual refounding of Slavia, which during this process was subjected to aggressive intimidation by LKE officials, in a common trend where the LKE has repeatedly used the threat of invasion to compel regions to act against their own interests.
3. Close collaboration with a number of disreputable regions whose only purpose for being is to invade and tear down others, and who have been widely ostracised for totally unacceptable conduct and severe violations of inter-regional law, examples including the notorious The Black Riders and DEN.
4. Continued acts of aggression against the Founderless Regions Alliance, a defensive organisation that sought to uphold inter-regional peace, including a series of minor tangential invasions which the LKE would use to dubiously claim some kind of victory in its ridiculous little war.
5. Invasion of The Rejected Realms ("TRR") on a massive scale, during which the Emperor of the LKE would become Delegate of TRR, a fact they would arrogantly lord over the world for years to come.
6. Attempted manipulation of the region Osiris when it was under occupation by a rogue state, by dishonestly offering support to both sides and needlessly prolonging the conflict for its own benefit, which included leveraging its position to force Osiris to withdraw from the Pan-Sinker Security Pact and to sever all contact with the Founderless Regions Alliance, in what amounted to a blatant display of extortion.
7. Military support for the tyrannical Khanate government in its coup and occupation of Lazarus, and being noticeably absent from a coalition of peacekeepers from most prominent regions who sought to restore peace, further demonstrating the LKE's consistent agenda of destabilising regions and their populations.
8. Deliberate obstruction of honest efforts to rebuild the struggling community of The New Inquisition, lead by the criminally inclined Emperor of the LKE, who would personally drive many good leaders from the region and seal its decline, ultimately betraying a community they had helped create.
9. Forced assimilation of regions into the lethargic empire and/or personal trophy collection of the LKE, which include Ilum, Polis, Munster, The Imperial Legion, and Vienna.
10. Attempted invasion of the noble and tenacious region of Moldavia no less than four times, all of which were rebuked, much to the embarrassment of the LKE's surprisingly incompetent military forces.
11. Attempted blackmail of small innocent regions through the Green-Black Concordat, where such regions could either contribute militarily to the LKE's campaigns or be considered valid targets themselves.
12. Engagement of recruitment practices that are considered against inter-regional law, and subsequently blaming these actions on a scapegoated individual when ultimately caught and punished.
13. Various other assorted affronts to the inter-regional community, such as having a garbage motto that its members feel the obnoxious need to post everywhere in entirely capital letters, and posting dispatches with broken amateurish coding.

Denouncing the LKE for the above described extensive history of unkind, aggressive, destructive, and occasionally laughably incompetent conduct,

Hereby condemns the Land of Kings and Emperors.

I wrote this

EDIT: VERSION #3

The Security Council,

Reaffirming its dedication to the dissemination of inter-regional peace and goodwill, and its right to condemn those who act consistently and unapologetically against this mission,

Rejecting the spurious notion that a region has some kind of perverse right to cause unjustified damage to others through acts of random aggression, and the dangerous ideal that selfish regional interests should take precedence over protecting inter-regional peace and doing what is right,

Asserting that the Land of Kings and Emperors ("the LKE") has historically acted as a belligerent state on the world stage, yet has so far escaped consequences through corrupting inter-regional politics, propagation of blatant lies, and boring everyone to death with catastrophically uninteresting text,

Enumerating the numerous acts of senseless harm the LKE has callously propagated without remorse, which includes:

1. Random invasion and acts of destruction against too many regions to comprehensively list, but which include Belgium, The True Rebirth, Middle Earth, Fidelia, Soviet Union, Argartha, Zhe Intranational Communist, Hogwarts, Scotland, The Soviet Bloc, Slavya, Ixnay, Canada, the Coalition of Catholic States, Eastern Europe, Region Inc, Equestria, Atheist Empire, Meridon, South Pacific, The Union, Liberty Alliance, Forest, Belgium again, Philippines, Asia, Latinoamerica, The International Kingdom, The Union of Red Nations, Westphalia, United Islands, and Iran.
2. Invasion, occupation, and eventual refounding of Slavia, which during this process was subjected to aggressive intimidation by LKE officials, in a common trend where the LKE has repeatedly used the threat of invasion to compel regions to act against their own interests.
3. Close collaboration with a number of disreputable regions whose only purpose for being is to invade and tear down others, and who have been widely ostracised for totally unacceptable conduct and severe violations of inter-regional expectations, examples including the notorious The Black Riders and DEN.
4. Continued acts of aggression against the Founderless Regions Alliance, a defensive organisation that sought to uphold inter-regional peace, including a series of minor tangential invasions which the LKE would use to dubiously claim some kind of victory in its ridiculous war.
5. Invasion of The Rejected Realms ("TRR") on a massive scale, during which the Emperor of the LKE would become Delegate of TRR, a fact they would arrogantly lord over the world for years to come.
6. Attempted manipulation of the region Osiris when it was under occupation by a rogue state, by dishonestly offering support to both sides and needlessly prolonging the conflict for its own benefit, which included leveraging its position to force Osiris to withdraw from the Pan-Sinker Security Pact and to sever all contact with the Founderless Regions Alliance, in what amounted to a blatant display of extortion.
7. Military support for the tyrannical Khanate government in its coup and occupation of Lazarus, and being noticeably absent from a coalition of peacekeepers from most prominent regions who sought to restore peace, further demonstrating the LKE's consistent agenda of destabilising regions and their populations.
8. Deliberate obstruction of honest efforts to rebuild the struggling community of The New Inquisition, lead by the criminally inclined Emperor of the LKE, who would personally drive many good leaders from the region and seal its decline, ultimately prefering to betray a community they had helped create instead of giving up control.
9. Forced assimilation of regions into the lethargic empire and/or personal trophy collection of the LKE, which include Ilum, Polis, Munster, The Imperial Legion, and Vienna.
10. Attempted invasion of the noble and tenacious region of Moldavia no less than four times, all of which were rebuked, much to the embarrassment of the LKE's surprisingly incompetent military forces.
11. Attempted blackmail of innocent regions through the Green-Black Concordat, where such regions could either contribute militarily to the LKE's campaigns against their interests or be considered valid targets themselves.
12. Engagement of recruitment practices that are considered against inter-regional expectations, and subsequently blaming these actions on a scapegoated individual when ultimately caught and punished.
13. Various other assorted affronts, such as having a garbage motto that is obnoxiously written everywhere in entirely capital letters, and publishing documents with broken amateurish formatting.

Denouncing the LKE for the above described extensive history of unkind, aggressive, destructive, and occasionally laughable conduct,

Hereby condemns the Land of Kings and Emperors.

Made some minor last minute edits then submitted this.

Strongly againist i am monarchy and i was awarded with the 6º order of service when i was inside their region

They are not an invader region they only conquered a few regions like some monarchies use to act

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

OOC:This might be relevant

Oh gods, wall of text time. How very LKE.

[The Union of Soviet Socialist Republik]

I dont think they are talking about this Union of Soviet Socialist Republik

[Wallenburg]

Yeah, no, you've just bored everyone to death with this proposal. Tell me, who did you hire to make this boring old proposal, Ayn Rand or Stephenie Meyer? I've had more fun reading Atlas Shrugged than looking through this proposal. It's full of more boring hot air than the Hindenburg. And like the Hindenburg, we're all going to see it crash and burn.

Um, actually, the Hindenburg floated on a rigid hydrogen balloon, not on a hot air balloon.

[Emazia]

Yeah, no, you've just bored everyone to death with this proposal. Tell me, who did you hire to make this boring old proposal, Ayn Rand or Stephenie Meyer? I've had more fun reading Atlas Shrugged than looking through this proposal. It's full of more boring hot air than the Hindenburg. And like the Hindenburg, we're all going to see it crash and burn.

Um, actually, the Hindenburg floated on a rigid hydrogen balloon, not on a hot air balloon.

Well I mean, it's still technically air. Air isn't really a definable thing except 'gas in a planet's atmosphere' really. To that I say, it still counts. The only gases that don't count as part of air, in my opinion, are those you find in space randomly floating around.

[Emazia]

Yeah, no, you've just bored everyone to death with this proposal. Tell me, who did you hire to make this boring old proposal, Ayn Rand or Stephenie Meyer? I've had more fun reading Atlas Shrugged than looking through this proposal. It's full of more boring hot air than the Hindenburg. And like the Hindenburg, we're all going to see it crash and burn.

Um, actually, the Hindenburg floated on a rigid hydrogen balloon, not on a hot air balloon.

Also we need to end this argument before Ludwig Wittgenstein's fire-breathing green beetle with horns comes to destroy us.

[United States of Americanas]

Never heard of that region until today as have many others.

I do not ally with them nor do I condemn them.

I’ll side with my regional delegates vote and vote no on this.

[Consular]

It would be far, far, easier to write a commendation for a region that has spent the better part of a decade trying to tear down the work of other players? No.

All of your points are technicalities and obfuscations, and they do not lessen the LKE's clear legacy of aggression.

Your defence of them is however unsurprising.

Believing that merely invading is not condemnable isn’t a technicality or obfuscation, it’s a core principal that cuts to the heart of this proposal.

I think invasion is self-evidently condemnable. If you're gonna play the bad guy, that's fine, every story needs a bad guy, but at least have the balls to admit what you are.

It is unfair condeming a region for some military wars againist others.

Your "military wars" are random acts of invasion against regions that have nothing to do with you and only want to be left alone.

Attorney-General of the LKE here.

Did you write that post yourself? I know officials from the LKE usually have their posts written for them.

[Valfor]

Members of the international community,

I urge you to vote AGAINST this slanderous Security Council Resolution. Its author simply has a vendetta against The Land of Kings and Emperors ("The LKE"). The Security Council, or world stage for that matter, should not nor ever be used for such personal reasons.

For those who would like a small story, I'll try my best. Consular, or Cassius Cerebella, is cousin or kin to Charles Cerebella. If my memory serves me well, they were at some point in time both members of the LKE and participated in the very military operations that are being described. In fact, Charles and Cassius were leaders within the United Imperial Armed Forces ("UIAF") pact between the LKE, The New Inquisition ("TNI"), and Albion.

Charles had at one point served the LKE as its Prime Minister and Cassius was appointed to the high ranks as well. Fed up and thinking they could do better, the Cerebella's sought to create their own spin-off region very similar to the LKE, which became Albion. Since Albion didn't have quite the military forces and history that the LKE had, that's when the Cerebella's joined the UIAF. However, infighting with other members, particularly those also sharing command, occurred. The Cerebella's unilaterally decided to cancel the pact with the UIAF, leading to its death.

Without the UIAF and the support from the LKE and TNI, Albion suffered while the LKE continued to prosper. International community, I urge you to look at where we are now - the LKE is the 32nd largest UCR on NS, with a stable population of more than 300 nations. The LKE remains a force to be reckoned with in the Imperial Sphere. Today, Albion has only 46 nations, the 291st most. The Cerebella's are angry - they are angry they lost not only the upper hand when they tried to take the reins of the UIAF to lead the Imperialist sphere, but they are angry they lost Albion and that the LKE won.

Now, sometimes condemnations are welcome by some types of regions - the LKE is not one of them. We do not support this resolution and we believe personal vendettas and slander should not be supported nor should they even be entertained. We urge you to stand with the LKE and vote against this resolution. Stand for NationStates and stand for the proper use of the World Assembly. Personal vendettas =/= condemnation. We urge you to stand with us and vote AGAINST.

Thank you.

[KhanterWinters]

Votes in favor

[Consular]

Whoah you mean your region is larger than a region we closed down like a year ago?? Very impressive!!

Your little history lesson is pretty off topic and irrelevant Valfor (not unlike most of your NS career to be honest). It does absolutely nothing to refute the long list of condemnable actions in the proposal.

[Valfor]

Whoah you mean your region is larger than a region we closed down like a year ago?? Very impressive!!

Your little history lesson is pretty off topic and irrelevant Valfor (not unlike most of your NS career to be honest). It does absolutely nothing to refute the long list of condemnable actions in the proposal.

You mean the same list of "condemnable actions" that contains things you either participated in or were associated with?
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Also not sure how a latin motto is condemnable.

Should this resolution pass, the LKE will still prevail.

TERRA REGUM IMPERATORUMQUE TOTUM MUNDUM REGET!

[Consular]

You mean the same list of "condemnable actions" that contains things you either participated in or were associated with?

Again, doesn't change that they happened and are condemnable. Not very good at this are you.

[Valfor]

You mean the same list of "condemnable actions" that contains things you either participated in or were associated with?

Again, doesn't change that they happened and are condemnable. Not very good at this are you.

No, I know exactly what I'm doing and saying, thank you very much. I don't find my self worth through nor do I seek attention by making silly resolutions for things that occurred years ago.

Fact is, you don't deny your involvement, so you and your actions are "condemnable" too. Moreover, I explained your conflict of interest.

That's why I urge anyone who reads this to vote AGAINST.

[Consular]

Fact is, you don't deny your involvement, so you and your actions are "condemnable" too. Moreover, I explained your conflict of interest.

I've done bad things in my time, sure. But that still doesn't address nor excuse the condemnable actions the LKE has done as outlined in the proposal.

You're attacking the author instead of the content, which is a logical fallacy, and also rather sad and desperate.

[Leporias]

Ignore this

[Grenhold]

I find the current resolution appalling.

I have read the debate in this forum and see nothing but smug self-congratulation and groundless insinuations from the AYE's.

I encourage all those voting yes to reconsider their vote. If you condemn the LKE in the face of such flimsy and flatly contradicted evidence, then you do so against all reason and decency. I beg all not to turn the Security Council into a forum for character assassination. What will happen to you when someone can find 4000 voters to fall for some fiction about your nation?

The proposing delegate suggests that their involvement in the alleged wrongdoings does not matter. They are wrong. If he was involved, and if the alleged acts were so bad, I do not trust him to recount events with any integrity. If the events involved were not so bad, then we have all had our time wasted.

And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, NSers, the laws all being flat?

[Consular]

Yeah your LKE flag tells us all we need to know about your opinion thanks