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by Valentine Z » Fri May 24, 2019 6:23 am
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by Greater vakolicci haven » Fri May 24, 2019 6:31 am
Valentine Z wrote:It's an extremely selfish thought to not care about the public health and that you would rather see it compromised or be indifferent about what's happening.
Shameful, really.
by Valentine Z » Fri May 24, 2019 6:39 am
♪ If you are reading my sig, I want you to have the best day ever ! You are worth it, do not let anyone get you down ! ♪
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Selanese Empire wrote:Not many would notice except for the little cult surrounding him.
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by Galloism » Fri May 24, 2019 6:43 am
Valentine Z wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I care far more about the freedom to choose what goes into your body.
I mean, I would like it too, but you know, we are talking about being vaccinated with something that has tried and tested over so many times.
I'm not saying that we should become guinea pigs to some unknown vaccines or some weird medication.
It is not unknown stuff that is injected into the body. It is well-known, well-tried, and it helps people.
You, on the other hand, only think about yourself, using the "freedom to choose" as an excuse to cover the fact that you just couldn't give a damn about everyone around you and wanted them to die from a preventable disease.
by Valentine Z » Fri May 24, 2019 6:46 am
Galloism wrote:Valentine Z wrote:
I mean, I would like it too, but you know, we are talking about being vaccinated with something that has tried and tested over so many times.
I'm not saying that we should become guinea pigs to some unknown vaccines or some weird medication.
It is not unknown stuff that is injected into the body. It is well-known, well-tried, and it helps people.
You, on the other hand, only think about yourself, using the "freedom to choose" as an excuse to cover the fact that you just couldn't give a damn about everyone around you and wanted them to die from a preventable disease.
I mean, forcing medical procedures on an adult in order to save the life of another person being considered acceptable leads us to some pretty bad conclusions.
♪ If you are reading my sig, I want you to have the best day ever ! You are worth it, do not let anyone get you down ! ♪
Glory to De Geweldige Sierlijke Katachtige Utopia en Zijne Autonome Machten ov Valentine Z !
(✿◠‿◠) ☆ \(^_^)/ ☆
♡ Issues Thread ♡ Photography Stuff ♡ Project: Save F7. ♡ Stats Analysis ♡
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Selanese Empire wrote:Not many would notice except for the little cult surrounding him.
[Sig] "Far-left neo-Valentinist party “Democratic” finally banned after investigations find that it sponsored anti-Selanese movements overseas."
by Galloism » Fri May 24, 2019 6:48 am
Valentine Z wrote:Galloism wrote:I mean, forcing medical procedures on an adult in order to save the life of another person being considered acceptable leads us to some pretty bad conclusions.
I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that it should be made mandatory in the way of "Please vaccine or you will be a danger to society, like literally."
I'm not talking about jailing or dragging someone out of the house just because they are not vaccinated.
An unvaccinated person is a danger to most communities, so if they aren't vaccinated due to freedom of choice, just ban them from entering somewhere, I guess.
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 6:49 am
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by Valentine Z » Fri May 24, 2019 6:51 am
Galloism wrote:Valentine Z wrote:
I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that it should be made mandatory in the way of "Please vaccine or you will be a danger to society, like literally."
I'm not talking about jailing or dragging someone out of the house just because they are not vaccinated.
Ah, then that's acceptable.An unvaccinated person is a danger to most communities, so if they aren't vaccinated due to freedom of choice, just ban them from entering somewhere, I guess.
We do have to consider economic realities too. If we bar them from leaving their house or going to any public place because they're not vaccinated, you either be ready to support them for the rest of their lives or be ok with them dying from the effects of poverty.
♪ If you are reading my sig, I want you to have the best day ever ! You are worth it, do not let anyone get you down ! ♪
Glory to De Geweldige Sierlijke Katachtige Utopia en Zijne Autonome Machten ov Valentine Z !
(✿◠‿◠) ☆ \(^_^)/ ☆
♡ Issues Thread ♡ Photography Stuff ♡ Project: Save F7. ♡ Stats Analysis ♡
♡ The Sixty! ♡ Valentian Stories! ♡ Gwen's Adventures! ♡
• Never trouble trouble until trouble troubles you.
• World Map is a cat playing with Australia.
Selanese Empire wrote:Not many would notice except for the little cult surrounding him.
[Sig] "Far-left neo-Valentinist party “Democratic” finally banned after investigations find that it sponsored anti-Selanese movements overseas."
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 6:51 am
Valentine Z wrote:Galloism wrote:I mean, forcing medical procedures on an adult in order to save the life of another person being considered acceptable leads us to some pretty bad conclusions.
I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that it should be made mandatory in the way of "Please vaccine or you will be a danger to society, like literally."
I'm not talking about jailing or dragging someone out of the house just because they are not vaccinated. An unvaccinated person is a danger to most communities, so if they aren't vaccinated due to freedom of choice, just ban them from entering somewhere, I guess.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Galloism » Fri May 24, 2019 6:52 am
Highever wrote:Valentine Z wrote:
I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that it should be made mandatory in the way of "Please vaccine or you will be a danger to society, like literally."
I'm not talking about jailing or dragging someone out of the house just because they are not vaccinated. An unvaccinated person is a danger to most communities, so if they aren't vaccinated due to freedom of choice, just ban them from entering somewhere, I guess.
My thoughts exactly. Dont want you or your children to get vaccinated? Fine then. You're not allowed to enter public facilities due to the unnecessary risk you will cause.
by Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2019 6:52 am
Galloism wrote:Valentine Z wrote:
I mean, I would like it too, but you know, we are talking about being vaccinated with something that has tried and tested over so many times.
I'm not saying that we should become guinea pigs to some unknown vaccines or some weird medication.
It is not unknown stuff that is injected into the body. It is well-known, well-tried, and it helps people.
You, on the other hand, only think about yourself, using the "freedom to choose" as an excuse to cover the fact that you just couldn't give a damn about everyone around you and wanted them to die from a preventable disease.
I mean, forcing medical procedures on an adult in order to save the life of another person being considered acceptable leads us to some pretty bad conclusions.
by Galloism » Fri May 24, 2019 6:53 am
Neutraligon wrote:Galloism wrote:I mean, forcing medical procedures on an adult in order to save the life of another person being considered acceptable leads us to some pretty bad conclusions.
I am of the opinion that parents not vaccinating their kids is essentially child endangerment, and as such the kids should be removed for the brief amount of time needed to vaccinate them before being returned to their parents. If an adult is somehow not vaccinated, then that is their choice, but the government is under no obligation to provide services to them while they place others in danger.
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 6:53 am
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Galloism » Fri May 24, 2019 6:54 am
by Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2019 6:57 am
Galloism wrote:Neutraligon wrote:I am of the opinion that parents not vaccinating their kids is essentially child endangerment, and as such the kids should be removed for the brief amount of time needed to vaccinate them before being returned to their parents. If an adult is somehow not vaccinated, then that is their choice, but the government is under no obligation to provide services to them while they place others in danger.
Can we define "services"?
by Greater vakolicci haven » Fri May 24, 2019 6:58 am
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 6:59 am
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Galloism » Fri May 24, 2019 7:00 am
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 7:01 am
Galloism wrote:Highever wrote:I was thinking schools and hospitals most importantly, as i dont want you endangering others kids and immunocompromised people.
So if a person has a heart attack, tough luck you should have gotten vaccinated? Go die?
EMTs are required to check vaccination status before transporting?
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2019 7:02 am
Galloism wrote:Neutraligon wrote:For instance they would have to home school their kid. Their kid would not be allowed in government facilities, They would not be allowed to fly. Public hospitals would be an exception.
So wait a minute, because you said that in the context of an adult not being vaccinated, the only downside if they don't have kids is not being allowed to fly?
by Galloism » Fri May 24, 2019 7:03 am
Highever wrote:Galloism wrote:So if a person has a heart attack, tough luck you should have gotten vaccinated? Go die?
EMTs are required to check vaccination status before transporting?
Perhaps not....hospitals should probably be an exception. But they are still presenting a pretty big risk to others on the hospital.
by Galloism » Fri May 24, 2019 7:04 am
Neutraligon wrote:Galloism wrote:So wait a minute, because you said that in the context of an adult not being vaccinated, the only downside if they don't have kids is not being allowed to fly?
I edited. The downside is they would not be able to meet with government representatives or use government buildings. Private locations can make their own decisions on if they accept unvaccinated people within them
by Highever » Fri May 24, 2019 7:04 am
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Galloism » Fri May 24, 2019 7:04 am
by Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2019 7:04 am
Galloism wrote:Neutraligon wrote:I edited. The downside is they would not be able to meet with government representatives or use government buildings. Private locations can make their own decisions on if they accept unvaccinated people within them
Ah, ok, let me try again.Neutraligon wrote:They would not be allowed in government facilities, They would not be allowed to fly. Public hospitals would be an exception.
So John the unvaccinated adult gets a speeding ticket and has to appear in court or he will be jailed. What happens next?
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