Communist Socialist Crysis in NS

[Vkraine]

Im personally see a big problem with pro-communists nations.
I`m not against communism, but bigger part of communists nations are prototype of USSR.
As for me, USSR isn`t best example of communist country. True communism dosen`t means dictatorship, and anything else in this way. It means "country for people".
Exactly, russian players, or other, who really wanna make a prototype of USSR do it in right way, for example, using USSR`s symbols in flag, in name of Nation, and in other.
But if u wanna make an own communist country, u shouldn`t use USSR or Northen Korea as an example.
As I see, a lot of people do it because of experience.
Finnaly, they can create own communistic symbols, a form of government.
Sorry for mistakes
Lets discuss it.

[Ada Empire]

i dont see how its a crisis

[Ada Empire]

and stalinism is a form of communism, in-fact its the most common form

[Tinfect Diplomatic Enclave]

and stalinism is a form of communism, in-fact its the most common form

Please don't spread misinformation.

[Orostan]

and stalinism is a form of communism, in-fact its the most common form

>Marxism-Leninist
>Communist
Pick one.

[Vkraine]

and stalinism is a form of communism, in-fact its the most common form

Yes, maybe its a most common form, but not an only one. And u shouldn`t use USSR simbols.
+Maybe its not a big crysis, but I think its a problem from a ignorance.

[The Federation of Kendor]

Im personally see a big problem with pro-communists nations.
I`m not against communism, but bigger part of communists nations are prototype of USSR.
As for me, USSR isn`t best example of communist country. True communism dosen`t means dictatorship, and anything else in this way. It means "country for people".
Exactly, russian players, or other, who really wanna make a prototype of USSR do it in right way, for example, using USSR`s symbols in flag, in name of Nation, and in other.
But if u wanna make an own communist country, u shouldn`t use USSR or Northen Korea as an example.
As I see, a lot of people do it because of experience.
Finnaly, they can create own communistic symbols, a form of government.
Sorry for mistakes
Lets discuss it.

Most of the people here, including me, associated communism with Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, or Il-Sung. I hated communism for that, as well as the flaws and what it will do

[The New California Republic]

I`m not against communism, but bigger part of communists nations are prototype of USSR.

Evidence?

But if u wanna make an own communist country, u shouldn`t use USSR or Northen Korea as an example.

OK then, so what communist country, in your opinion, would be a good example to follow?

[Belkan America]

NS is made as a parody. Because Communism normaly ends on a dictatorship and utopias are boring people make USSR/NK/PRC style nations.

[Vkraine]

I`m not against communism, but bigger part of communists nations are prototype of USSR.

Evidence?

But if u wanna make an own communist country, u shouldn`t use USSR or Northen Korea as an example.

OK then, so what communist country, in your opinion, would be a good example to follow?

Communism means equality. But it shouldn`t mean Low standard of living, dictatorship. But I didn`t sad they are bad examples of communist. I sad they`rent only one.
And... How and why should I give u evidences of that Im not against the communism???
And evidence that bigger part of communist nations are prototype of USSR - look ureself!

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

.....im not understanding the problem. Most communist come to the "left side of the force" through hearing the whispers of our long departed empire and answering the call. We don't necessarily seek to revive the soviet union but to reestablish an empire that's learned from the soviet unions mistakes. Why wouldn't we use the USSR flag? We still hold the basic principles of the USSR. there's no reason for us to abandon our flag.
(we should look into changing some aspects of our society though). Also We each add our own flavor of communism just as you suggested. As you can see even on this thread alone there's twelve different brand s of communism

[Vkraine]

Im personally see a big problem with pro-communists nations.
I`m not against communism, but bigger part of communists nations are prototype of USSR.
As for me, USSR isn`t best example of communist country. True communism dosen`t means dictatorship, and anything else in this way. It means "country for people".
Exactly, russian players, or other, who really wanna make a prototype of USSR do it in right way, for example, using USSR`s symbols in flag, in name of Nation, and in other.
But if u wanna make an own communist country, u shouldn`t use USSR or Northen Korea as an example.
As I see, a lot of people do it because of experience.
Finnaly, they can create own communistic symbols, a form of government.
Sorry for mistakes
Lets discuss it.

Most of the people here, including me, associated communism with Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, or Il-Sung. I hated communism for that, as well as the flaws and what it will do

Its a game only. If anybody wanna create Imire of Evil!?)

[Vkraine]

NS is made as a parody. Because Communism normaly ends on a dictatorship and utopias are boring people make USSR/NK/PRC style nations.

I know, so I think, better, if people willnt parody real countries, but`ll try to imagine and create anything own. But its not about this.. I sad, that who wanna create an a prototype of USSR - OK, no problem. But who creating its not like a parody using USSRs or other symbols. They dont know other symbols, other idiologies, not stalinism only

[Saint Gloria]

Im personally see a big problem with pro-communists nations.
I`m not against communism, but bigger part of communists nations are prototype of USSR.
As for me, USSR isn`t best example of communist country. True communism dosen`t means dictatorship, and anything else in this way. It means "country for people".
Exactly, russian players, or other, who really wanna make a prototype of USSR do it in right way, for example, using USSR`s symbols in flag, in name of Nation, and in other.
But if u wanna make an own communist country, u shouldn`t use USSR or Northen Korea as an example.
As I see, a lot of people do it because of experience.
Finnaly, they can create own communistic symbols, a form of government.
Sorry for mistakes
Lets discuss it.

"Country for people" i'm pretty sure you call that a democracy.
And besides, Marx's communism says that you need a big government to start, then it shrinks until it turns into a sort of Anarko state, however as history shows us unless something drastic happens governments usually don't get smaller, only bigger.

[Vkraine]

I`m not against communism, but bigger part of communists nations are prototype of USSR.

Evidence?

But if u wanna make an own communist country, u shouldn`t use USSR or Northen Korea as an example.

OK then, so what communist country, in your opinion, would be a good example to follow?

+ about evidence - this guy, for example, who quoted my post like u: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=uin ... _of_africa

[Vkraine]

Im personally see a big problem with pro-communists nations.
I`m not against communism, but bigger part of communists nations are prototype of USSR.
As for me, USSR isn`t best example of communist country. True communism dosen`t means dictatorship, and anything else in this way. It means "country for people".
Exactly, russian players, or other, who really wanna make a prototype of USSR do it in right way, for example, using USSR`s symbols in flag, in name of Nation, and in other.
But if u wanna make an own communist country, u shouldn`t use USSR or Northen Korea as an example.
As I see, a lot of people do it because of experience.
Finnaly, they can create own communistic symbols, a form of government.
Sorry for mistakes
Lets discuss it.

"Country for people" i'm pretty sure you call that a democracy.
And besides, Marx's communism says that you need a big government to start, then it shrinks until it turns into a sort of Anarko state, however as history shows us unless something drastic happens governments usually don't get smaller, only bigger.

I dont think only democratic country is a country for people. Communism can to be too.
But its not about this.
Its about symbols.

[Korica]

Sorry to burst your Trotskyist bubble but Communism means the dictatorship of the Proletariat.

[Vkraine]

Sorry to burst your Trotskyist bubble but Communism means the dictatorship of the Proletariat.

Im not a Trotskiyist, LOL, Im democrat)))

[Solorni]

I'd like to preface this by saying that I am not a communist. I think that the main reason people choose to model their nations after countries like the USSR is in part because it is by far the biggest and most famous of the bunch (besides China). So like Titoism in Yugoslavia and even the Goulash Communist era in Hungary are not as popular to emulate.

As for me, USSR isn`t best example of communist country. True communism dosen`t means dictatorship, and anything else in this way. It means "country for people".

I feel like you are conflating the Stalin era with the rest of the Soviet era. There were relatively good eras in the Soviet Union when it came to peoples right and freedoms. We tend to focus on the truly awful dictatorship of Stalin... but things were not that bad from a personal standpoint when it came to Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev. These aren't the leaders you think of when most people think about the Soviet Union, but they do form the bulk of it. Additionally I do not think that the Soviet leaders were fundamentally different, at least when it comes to authority and personal rights compared to the Tsars or the later Presidents.

So, I think people modelling their countries after the USSR has two sides to people associating it with Stalinism... which is that the people who are making those nations might conflate or at least associate the USSR with Stalin and visa versa. Would you take as much issue with USSR nations modeled after the Brezhnev era or even the NEP era?

You also take issue with the hammer and sickle, although I think that that symbol is actually a positive one when one looks at what it represents. Communism initially was just about the workers, but this is difficult in a country like Russia which had a massive rural population. So, representing an alliance between workers and peasants is not a bad thing imo. Although having said that, in the actual USSR they did not treat the peasants well initially... especially considering the Bolsheviks were not popular among them like the Social Revolutionaries were. But idealistically... the symbol is not nefarious.

[Crazy girl]

This discussion seems to be going the NSG way rather than the Gameplay way.

I'll give it one more chance but if it keeps going off track and into NS General subjects, it's getting locked.

[Vkraine]

I'd like to preface this by saying that I am not a communist. I think that the main reason people choose to model their nations after countries like the USSR is in part because it is by far the biggest and most famous of the bunch (besides China). So like Titoism in Yugoslavia and even the Goulash Communist era in Hungary are not as popular to emulate.

As for me, USSR isn`t best example of communist country. True communism dosen`t means dictatorship, and anything else in this way. It means "country for people".

I feel like you are conflating the Stalin era with the rest of the Soviet era. There were relatively good eras in the Soviet Union when it came to peoples right and freedoms. We tend to focus on the truly awful dictatorship of Stalin... but things were not that bad from a personal standpoint when it came to Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev. These aren't the leaders you think of when most people think about the Soviet Union, but they do form the bulk of it. Additionally I do not think that the Soviet leaders were fundamentally different, at least when it comes to authority and personal rights compared to the Tsars or the later Presidents.

So, I think people modelling their countries after the USSR has two sides to people associating it with Stalinism... which is that the people who are making those nations might conflate or at least associate the USSR with Stalin and visa versa. Would you take as much issue with USSR nations modeled after the Brezhnev era or even the NEP era?

You also take issue with the hammer and sickle, although I think that that symbol is actually a positive one when one looks at what it represents. Communism initially was just about the workers, but this is difficult in a country like Russia which had a massive rural population. So, representing an alliance between workers and peasants is not a bad thing imo. Although having said that, in the actual USSR they did not treat the peasants well initially... especially considering the Bolsheviks were not popular among them like the Social Revolutionaries were. But idealistically... the symbol is not nefarious.

I`ll agree with You. But its 1 moment.
I dont sad people can`t use USSR symbols, cause Stelin is awful dictator, and hammer and sickle is a bad symbol
But really, as You sad, when somebody wanna create communist nation he creating stalinism, not a Hrushchov, for example, or other leader, or other country. Its a problem, as for me.
Im not a communist... cause I think its impossible to create it, but idea of alliance between workers and peasants as for me isn`t bad idea too.

[Vkraine]

This discussion seems to be going the NSG way rather than the Gameplay way.

I'll give it one more chance but if it keeps going off track and into NS General subjects, it's getting locked.

Im sorry, my english is bad, I made a mistake maybe when posted it here. Next time I`ll be more attentive.

[Belkan America]

So, USSR's symbols are bad, and NSers must use diferent symbolism?. It could be good if someone went original and made his own symbolism for his nation. But Stalinism is Stalinism, Trotskism is Trotskism, and Maoism is Maoism.

And once again, utopias are not cool.

[Vkraine]

So, USSR's symbols are bad, and NSers must use diferent symbolism?. It could be good if someone went original and made his own symbolism for his nation. But Stalinism is Stalinism, Trotskism is Trotskism, and Maoism is Maoism.

And once again, utopias are not cool.

I dont say USSR`s symbols are bad - bad is when people using they as communist`s, cause they dont know any other.
And about utopias: -It`s ure own oppinion, so, maybe)

[NewRemelia]

I consider myself pretty authoritarian and very left wing


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