Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Nea Byzantia]

Bold of you to assume I don't believe the same should be done to China or Russia, but that's not the point. The problem isn't the population or the land area, it's that the US holds the larger populated parts of an entire Continent. Continental Unions shouldn't be allowed to exist, if necessary, they should be partitioned and balkanized. But then again, I am talking about an Alt-His scenario, not our timeline.

I see no basis for such an arbitrary rule. Europe as a “continent” for example is a social construct with no legitimate geographic basis.

And the US does not cover the whole continent (yet).

But sure, you can make whatever alternative histories you want.

But generally a Balkanized area is a more violent one, as numerous small states swallow the other up, (thus becoming bigger) unless their are big powers to prevent it.

More often than not, the Big Powers play Great Games in such balkanized regions; they don't prevent sh*t. Just look at the Balkans.

[Conserative Morality]

Oscar Wilde, is that you?

If you die without anyone being able to justifiably claim righteousness in killing you, you, ironically, have done nothing righteous in your life.

[North German Realm]

Ignoring how better the Reich would have fared if that were to happen, Wilhelm was pretty mild during the late Bismarckian era. Bismarck's opposition to Wilhelm was more a "he doesn't do what I say like his grandfather", rather than anything legitimate (and there are many things one can and should oppose Wilhelm II for, but "not doing what uncle Otto told him to" ain't one of 'em.)

Uncle Otto knew better than he did.

Uncle Otto's solution to Miners saying "We want legal protection" was sending the army against them. I realize this is RWDT, but that's... not "knowing better". If it was 1870-1884 Bismarck? I'd definitely agree with you.

[Bear Stearns]

About 80% of American whites in the 1780s (which for all intents purposes were the only Americans in the eyes of people who created the country) were descended from the British Isles, and of them, most had been born in the colonies. Most were Protestant and most spoke English.

Exceptions do not dictate the rule.

>> ignoring the Dutch
>> ignoring the Germans
>> ignoring that the British Isles at the time did not regard themselves all as one people
>> ignoring that Protestants hate each other almost as much as they hate Catholics

Colonial Dutch and Germans were minorities that were either subsumed into the larger Yankee nation or remained on the periphery, they never were the core.

The various British-descended people in the colonies had largely caste aside their European identities and simply saw themselves as Americans (or Yankees or Southerners or Appalachians, but still unequivocally American). This was something the Founding Fathers all recognized and even celebrated.

Protestants having their own internal disagreements doesn't discount that they were the core religion of the American nation when it began. Shit, one of the Intolerable Acts was the Quebec Act, which gave Catholics more rights. The Americans were pissed about this.

[Conserative Morality]

Uncle Otto's solution to Miners saying "We want legal protection" was sending the army against them. I realize this is RWDT, but that's... not "knowing better". If it was 1870-1884 Bismarck? I'd definitely agree with you.

I'm mostly memeing about Uncle Otto.

Mostly.

I'd be considered a dirty socialist by him, after all.

[Novus America]

True ethno nationalists would go back to the European country they claim as their ethnic nation.

What about people whose ethnic origin is in the United States?

Native Americans?
Sure those who are ethno nationalists are at least logically consistent.

[Nova Cyberia]

No nation's a nation of immigrants anyway (except for the UAE, perhaps, but they suck). We're a nation of citizens.

[Bear Stearns]

What about people whose ethnic origin is in the United States?

So... the Native Americans? I mean, even that is stretching it.

No, not the Indian tribes. They were considered their own nations, not really part of the United States.

It's pretty stupid to tell a 10th generation white American to "go back" to Europe when his ethnic home is here.

[Fahran]

Oscar Wilde, is that you?

If you die without anyone being able to justifiably claim righteousness in killing you, you, ironically, have done nothing righteous in your life.

"Stand for something, even if it means committing severe human rights violations."

[Nea Byzantia]

Uncle Otto's solution to Miners saying "We want legal protection" was sending the army against them. I realize this is RWDT, but that's... not "knowing better". If it was 1870-1884 Bismarck? I'd definitely agree with you.

I'm mostly memeing about Uncle Otto.

Mostly.

I'd be considered a dirty socialist by him, after all.

Rightly so, Robespierre.

[Bienenhalde]

No, as in the majority of Mexicans believe that the Southwest is theirs. You really think integration is on their to-do list?

It's been noted by many scholars that they are assimilating far more slowly than any other immigrant group since the nation's founding.

Not exactly sure that is a bad thing. Now we just need to convince them to support the House of Iturbide.

[North German Realm]

Uncle Otto's solution to Miners saying "We want legal protection" was sending the army against them. I realize this is RWDT, but that's... not "knowing better". If it was 1870-1884 Bismarck? I'd definitely agree with you.

I'm mostly memeing about Uncle Otto.

Mostly.

I'd be considered a dirty socialist by him, after all.

LBR, more than half the people in this thread would be considered dirty socialists by Uncle Otto.

[Bear Stearns]

No, as in the majority of Mexicans believe that the Southwest is theirs. You really think integration is on their to-do list?

It's been noted by many scholars that they are assimilating far more slowly than any other immigrant group since the nation's founding.

Not exactly sure that is a bad thing. Now we just need to convince them to support the House of Iturbide.

No, Catholic superstition, liberation theology communism, and Latin work attitudes are not what America needs.

[Nova Cyberia]

I'm mostly memeing about Uncle Otto.

Mostly.

I'd be considered a dirty socialist by him, after all.

Rightly so, Robespierre.

Robespierre getting guillotined was one of the greatest moments in human history, tbh

[Diopolis]

No, as in the majority of Mexicans believe that the Southwest is theirs. You really think integration is on their to-do list?

It's been noted by many scholars that they are assimilating far more slowly than any other immigrant group since the nation's founding.

Not exactly sure that is a bad thing. Now we just need to convince them to support the House of Iturbide.

As long as Texas is an autonomous region that doesn't have to follow Mexico's gun laws...

[Nea Byzantia]

I'm mostly memeing about Uncle Otto.

Mostly.

I'd be considered a dirty socialist by him, after all.

LBR, more than half the people in this thread would be considered dirty socialists by Uncle Otto.

Not me, though...

[Fahran]

No, as in the majority of Mexicans believe that the Southwest is theirs. You really think integration is on their to-do list?

It's been noted by many scholars that they are assimilating far more slowly than any other immigrant group since the nation's founding.

Not exactly sure that is a bad thing. Now we just need to convince them to support the House of Iturbide.

That's it. Anglos in the RWDT are hereby precluded from making hot takes about Mexico until y'all learn how to behave.

[Bienenhalde]

Not exactly sure that is a bad thing. Now we just need to convince them to support the House of Iturbide.

No, Catholic superstition, liberation theology communism, and Latin work attitudes are not what America needs.

If you really think those things are so bad, we should have never annexed the southwest in the first place.

[Bear Stearns]

Not exactly sure that is a bad thing. Now we just need to convince them to support the House of Iturbide.

As long as Texas is an autonomous region that doesn't have to follow Mexico's gun laws...

Or Mexico's laughably atrocious protection of property rights.

That being said, Mexico's immigration laws would be pretty swanky to adopt.

[Nea Byzantia]

Not exactly sure that is a bad thing. Now we just need to convince them to support the House of Iturbide.

That's it. Anglos in the RWDT are hereby precluded from making hot takes about Mexico until y'all learn how to behave.

Like that's ever gonna happen...

[Nova Cyberia]

As long as Texas is an autonomous region that doesn't have to follow Mexico's gun laws...

Or Mexico's laughably atrocious protection of property rights.

That being said, Mexico's immigration laws would be pretty swanky to adopt.

Adopt their immigration laws, and then adopt their entire country into our own.

[Diopolis]

Not exactly sure that is a bad thing. Now we just need to convince them to support the House of Iturbide.

That's it. Anglos in the RWDT are hereby precluded from making hot takes about Mexico until y'all learn how to behave.

¿Por que?

[Bear Stearns]

No, Catholic superstition, liberation theology communism, and Latin work attitudes are not what America needs.

If you really think those things are so bad, we should have never annexed the southwest in the first place.

Those things barely existed in the Southwest at the time of annexation, so it wasn't really a problem. Most of Alta California except for coastal missions was wilderness or Indian country. And the places with a larger Hispanic population (Santa Fe and Texas) were demographically swamped by the waves of Americans moving West, so it was never really an issue at the time.

Stopping at the Rio Grande was smart however. Would've been worse if we kept going.

[Diopolis]

As long as Texas is an autonomous region that doesn't have to follow Mexico's gun laws...

Or Mexico's laughably atrocious protection of property rights.

That being said, Mexico's immigration laws would be pretty swanky to adopt.

I mean, if we have the regional autonomy to have our own gun laws, we probably have the regional autonomy to have our own property rights laws. Although, really, it would be even better if we were an independent nation that happened to share a monarch with Mexico.

[Fahran]

That's it. Anglos in the RWDT are hereby precluded from making hot takes about Mexico until y'all learn how to behave.

¿Por que?

"Annex Mexico."
"Restore Mexico's monarchy."
"Calles did nothing wrong."

This is why.